It would be interesting to consider, the use of a Holmlid condensation of hydrogen in conjunction with a mechanical engine. Suppose we had initially an empty piston and cylinder with the piston at top dead center and having a surface designed to support a Holmlid dense hydrogen film. The intake port opens and the port has a Holmlid catalyst. As the piston falls, hydrogen is drawn through the intake port and through the hydrogen catalyst to draw hydrogen prepared to form an ultra-dense layer into the cylinder. The ultra-dense hydrogen layer forms on the piston top while it cycles down and back up. As the piston reaches TDC, an electrical discharge occurs causing the condensate to fail and be released as H1 and H2 gas - at a much larger volume. The sudden high pressure forces the piston down and the the flywheel keeps it headed back up. The exhaust port opens up and the H2 gas is pushed out easily (perhaps into a reservoir). At TDC, the exhaust port closes and the intake port opens to admit more catalyzed hydrogen to form a new ultra-dense hydrogen layer on the piston.
The cycle is making the ultra-dense hydrogen layer and then triggering its expansion into ordinary hydrogen gas - a huge expansion. Bob Higgins On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 12:58 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: > I agree with what you guys are saying about some form of cyclic pressure > function. Of course I can imagine that a significant temperature pulse > might be present when the piston is near its maximum compression point. > The following expansion inside the cylinder should allow the gas > temperature to fall as the piston extracts mechanical energy during the > time that the volume of gas increases. > > For a thought experiment lets assume that we have a long cylinder with a > piston driving a mechanical load. Inside the cylinder is a certain volume > of gas particles at atmospheric temperature and pressure. If we were to > push the piston inwards the gas would compress and get hotter as mechanical > work is delivered to it. I believe that this is a reversible process > provided that no heat is allowed to escape from the compressed gas. So, if > we allowed the piston to pass through top dead center, it would then > perform mechanical work on its load equal to what we inputted as it returns > to the original location. Is it safe to assume that the gas would return > to its original state where it is at room temperature and pressure and > occupies the same volume? > > With this cycle in mind, Papp's process might work if it somehow causes a > rapid increase in the number of gas particles present when the piston > is near the top dead center point. The temperature of the gas would likely > rise at that time due to the increased compression. But, if good > insulation is present to keep the heat loss to a low value, the gas would > certainly apply additional force to the piston rod as it expands outwards. > Additional mechanical work beyond that required to complete the original > cycle without the Papp process would be generated. As before, expansion > would cause the gas temperature to fall significantly as the piston > continues its outward motion. > > If the timing were fortunate, the gas would return to its original number > of particles. In that case the gas could nearly recover to its initial > state to begin another cycle. The input energy pulse would effectively be > converted into mechanical work at a high efficiency. I have a suspicion > that this cycle would violate at least one of the thermodynamic laws. > > Does my thought cycle match what you guys are thinking? It is quite > similar to the normal gasoline engine in operation except that the number > of particles of the working gas increase instead of just their temperature > when external energy is added. Could this occur in a real world engine? > If so, Papp might actually have produced a working device. > > We need a better understanding of exactly what happens to a gas which > undergoes a rapid increased to particle numbers followed by a return to it > initial composition in this type of environment. > > Dave > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Eric Walker <[email protected]> > To: vortex-l <[email protected]> > Sent: Tue, Oct 13, 2015 10:38 am > Subject: Re: [Vo]:Electron-mediated alpha decay in quasi-stable isotopes > > On Tue, Oct 13, 2015 at 9:13 AM, Bob Higgins <[email protected]> > wrote: > > It seems like a reciprocating Papp engine would need to have a cyclic >> pressurization, not something the continually increases pressure as you are >> describing. I thought the reported mechanism had a way to catalyze >> pressure increase electrically and then the pressure returned to the prior >> lower pressure state. From this cyclic pressure, mechanical energy was >> extracted. >> > > Your understanding is the same as mine. My hope was that the induced > alpha decay would only ionize the noble gas and not increase the > temperature of the system significantly. If the temperature of the system > did increase beyond a certain point, I assume you'd get problems. > Regardless, I imagine that there would be a gradual buildup of heat and > that you'd have to manage it. > > Interesting speculation: when Feynman pulled the power chord on the > engine and it continued to run, what he disabled was a coolant system. > > Eric > >
