Now I understand. Of course Dr. Storms and others would argue that hydrogen is a key component of the reaction. On the other hand he also supports your assertion that only one process is likely to be occurring.
I see conflicting evidence with respect to what underlies the reactions at this point. Both of you may be correct about only one LENR process, but it is going to take a great deal of research to prove that assertion. I hold out hope that Rossi is going to have success and publish data that proves his reaction works as well as he appears to claim (F9). If this happens in the next few months we might finally have adequate proof of the reaction taking place. You mention that gamma radiation is thermalized in some common manner. I still find it difficult to believe that any high energy gammas are generated during these reactions. How would all of these be captured? If, instead you refer to low energy gammas then perhaps so. My current belief is that some form of magnetic interaction is taking place which captures and distributes the energy that would have normally escaped in the form of a gamma. In this case no gammas would be generated to penetrate the system. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov The assumption that underpins this claim is that there is only one fundamental cause that produces the LENR reaction. This assumption is based upon the existence of a set of globe properties that accompany any and all LENR reactions. For example, the thermalization of gamma radiation is one such global characteristic of all LENR reactions no matter what the LENR system may be. There are a few other global characteristics including the stabilization of all nuclear byproducts that come out of a LENR reaction. On Fri, Nov 20, 2015 at 1:17 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: It is a bit premature to assume that all the LENR theories based upon hydrogen are invalid! Until someone actually proves how every system operates this is an open ended claim with very little supporting evidence. Perhaps you are joking and I am taking you seriously Axil? :-) Or, could it be speculation which we are all guilty of engaging in? Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Fri, Nov 20, 2015 12:26 pm Subject: [Vo]:An experiment by Klimov http://newinflow.ru/pdf/Klimov_Poster.pdf This experiment by Klimov is a wonderful proof that all the LENR theories based on hydrogen are invalid. In this experiment, the LENR reaction involves only argon and aluminum. The high voltage Tesla electric arc produces a temperature of 7000K that vaporizes a minute fraction of the aluminum electrode. These aluminum ions rapidly condense into nanoparticles immediately after they leave the high temperature of the arc, whereupon Surface Plasmon Polaritons(SPP) form on the surfaces of these nano and micro aluminum particles. The light from the arc driven argon gas produces XUV light. These photons of light entangles with electrons in the plasma to form SPPs on the aluminum dust in a vortex based soliton. The transmutation of heavy elements such as nickel shows that multiple atoms of aluminum and/or argon come together in a multi-atom cluster fusion reaction.
