I am quite curious if it is the switch from a P orbital to and S orbital or visa versa is what causes it to switch to from H(1) to H(0). Perhaps the electrons still remain in an excited state in the other orbital.
> On 11 mei 2016, at 21:03, Stephen Cooke <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> wrote: > > Thanks Bob, > > That it helps a lot I must admit I have a lot to learn about Rydberg matter. > Would these highly excited and Bohr atom like elliptical orbitals still > correspond to some kind of quantum mechanical orbital? Perhaps a highly > excited S orbital or something? Even highly excited P, D, F and G orbitals > would tend to have more complex shapes I think? I suppose it would depend on > the orbitals angular momentum. I suppose we might also need to consider the > spin as well as angular momentum though in the models if quantum mechanical > models are used. Perhaps at these energies the Bohr Model fits better the > observed behavior. > > > On 11 mei 2016, at 20:05, Bob Higgins <rj.bob.higg...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> Stephen, My understanding is that Rydberg hydrogen is highly excited >> hydrogen - it is just below an energy that the hydrogen would be ionized. >> In fact, small energy inputs to hydrogen in a Rydberg state will ionize it. >> As I understand the orbitals for Rydberg state hydrogen they are huge >> diameter flattened ellipsoids. Because of this, it is not too far off to >> consider it like a Bohr model. In Rydberg Matter (RM), all of the atoms >> have an electron in a large flattened ellipsoid shape which now loops some >> of the other nuclei in the RM to hold it together. RM naturally forms as a >> large planar "snowflake", but can easily be warped in a field gradient. RM >> is well characterized from its rotational spectrum. >> >> OTOH, the ultra-dense form is nearly pure imagination at this point, based >> on very slim data. If an ultra-dense form happens, how could it be formed >> from high energy matter like RM? Normally the very small is only achieved >> when substantial energy is removed from the system. >> >>> On Wed, May 11, 2016 at 10:26 AM, Stephen Cooke >>> <stephen_coo...@hotmail.com> wrote: >>> Has anyone looked at RM from the point of view of quantum mechanical >>> electron orbitals? If so could you help me understand some crazy thoughts >>> and questions I have about it ? >>> >>> I understand Rydberg hydrogen matter typically forms from excited hydrogen >>> atoms in some way. >>> >>> Most literature seems to represent the electron orbits in Rydberg Hydrogen >>> in a classical Bohr electron shell representation. >>> >>> What is the case in the quantum mechanical model? Are the electrons excited >>> to particular states such as S2 or P2 orbitals? I suppose the electrons are >>> more easily excited to P2 from the S1 orbital if excited by photon >>> absorption for example. >>> >>> Does the type of RM depend on the type of orbitals the electrons are in? >>> For example using Holmlid definitions is a S2 more likely to form H(1) type >>> RM and P2 more likely to form H(0). Naively looking at the dumbbell shape >>> of P2 orbitals does this allow closer approach of the nuclei than say S2 >>> with its spherical orbital? >>> >>> I think it's not so straight forward though as I think in Holmlid's recent >>> paper he mentions the orbital angular momentum (l) in each state. >>> Particular electron orbital types have particular orbitals. S orbitals have >>> l=0, P orbitals have l=1 etc. however he mentions that H(0) and D(0) have >>> l=0 and H(1) and D(1) have l>0. This is the opposite than I suggested above >>> suggesting that in fact the S orbitals allow the more compact configuration >>> of RM and P and other Orbital types can form normal RM. >>> >>> On another matter are the orbitals themselves affected in the dense form of >>> H(0) bearing in mind the very close spacing if the nuclei a few pm compared >>> to the normal S1 orbital radius? Also does the vortex nature of the close >>> combinations of atomic pairs into threads impact the electron orbitals? >>
