The Kedron Principle is just an area of ferromagnetism that is generally not observed.
Arthur Manelas showed a needle suspended under a ferrite magnet. It would also levitate the needle above the magnet. The explanation is that the needle went to the location of the greatest field strength, which was 1 inch away from the surface. Normal magnets have the strongest fields at the surface. Kedron had multiple magnets on each slide that could generate similar fields. I remain convinced that nanograined ferromagnets can align and randomize in response to applied fields in a resonant circuit. ________________________________ From: JonesBeene <jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 7:03 PM To: Vortex List Subject: RE: [Vo]:Kedron Energy MagMo Sent from Mail<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgo.microsoft.com%2Ffwlink%2F%3FLinkId%3D550986&data=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7C54d17e5fb211431c15ae08d52d4e9ba0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636464737990301355&sdata=FLFwMkPfW4YaEWYhOEW2BHK8F0nPWAJbx8bNl%2FSs3aU%3D&reserved=0> for Windows 10 From: JonesBeene<mailto:jone...@pacbell.net> Sent: Thursday, November 16, 2017 3:53 PM To: Dave<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com> Subject: RE: [Vo]:Kedron Energy MagMo Dave - Even without superconductors, there could a niche for a hybrid electric/PM motor which could use the Kedron principle with electromagnets added. Of course we already have the simple version of PM in many electric motors and alternators which use PMs, typically as the rotor and have no repel phase; but no commercial design to my knowledge incorporates PM magnets as both stator and rotor, with the electromagnet being used on only a few degrees of rotation. IIRC Terry Blanton was involved in a project with large PM magnets on both stator and rotor and one version of this had an electromagnet to release the rotor from the sticky point which all of these designs are plagued with. However, it was not overunity which was the goal. It was too large to be commercial in say an electric car. I think a more appropriate goal to shoot for these days would be a compact electric PM motor which is 98-99% efficient at all speeds and it has a repel phase as does the Kedron. The famous CSIRO motor (Australia) claimed to be the most efficient electric motor ever designed - and they did win all the Solar car races, but its 98% efficiency was only at high speed and efficiency dropped way off at lower RPM to the low 80s. The Tesla electric drive motor is not particularly efficient at low speeds either. I think that there would be a large market in automotive for a double-PM motor design where electromagnets were used in such a way that they do two tasks simultaneously – provide release from the sticky point(s) and at the same time prevent demagnetization by proper pulsing in the repel phase - with the goal of having 98+ % efficiency at both high and low speeds and no loss of magnetization over years of use. That is doable. From: Dave<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com> Thanks. Your comment makes me wonder how this device would in fact operate with super conducting magnets instead of permanent ones. Maybe some form of model could predict how magnetic energy stored within a superconducting magnet set would decrease as mechanical energy is released. I am not sure that the device would run at all in that substitute case, but if it does then maybe the model would show the energy conversion as it takes place in real world permanent magnets. Perhaps the modeled superconducting drive current would slowly drop as mechanical work is performed? Maybe someone else has some ideas about how this could be modeled which would save a lot of time evaluating future devices. Dave JonesBeene wrote: From: Dave<mailto:dlrober...@aol.com> Jones, did you see evidence that the amount of energy that could be extracted would exceed the amount stored within the permanent magnets? Also, where did the inventor think the excess energy originated from? Dave No. That has not been proved and it is easy to fool oneself as this Phd is doing. Here is the good doctor explaining and failing to realize his error – which is the looming problem of demagnetization https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qYCz0yZYnY<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D6qYCz0yZYnY&data=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7C54d17e5fb211431c15ae08d52d4e9ba0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636464737990301355&sdata=cW29TNZZdwJwLx1gJqX%2BfVvykGo2BqoUaHxMUAwBMs0%3D&reserved=0> Anytime permanent magnets go into repel mode they become slowly demagnetized and there are no exceptions to this. It has doomed all the demos so far. However, I also think (but have no real proof) the Laws of Thermodynamics are not real laws and that this feat could be accomplished using RTSC and magnets together. https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/kedron-energy-demonstrates-a-new-discovery-to-produce-a-motor-driven-by-permanent-magnets-alone-300545369.html<https://nam03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.prnewswire.com%2Fnews-releases%2Fkedron-energy-demonstrates-a-new-discovery-to-produce-a-motor-driven-by-permanent-magnets-alone-300545369.html&data=02%7C01%7CAhern_Brian%40msn.com%7C54d17e5fb211431c15ae08d52d4e9ba0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C636464737990301355&sdata=pZe1bqDSjSY3Xid5EkcidpxYCHvwNy040hdwNfHFb%2Fs%3D&reserved=0> This is suspicious on the surface, but apparently not a scam. BTW – I am 100% certain that another Magmo has run under self-power for about an hour - in front of a large panel of experts and sketics in Belgium who were allowed to disassemble it looking for hidden batteries. Problem is… you guessed it …. demagnetization of the magnets – but the magnetic motor can be made to self power for an indeterminate time with proper geometry to overcome the “sticky point”. Most likely, the LoT are preserved by the figuring in the energy necessary to regauge the permanent magnets. The is no real energy anomaly. However, magnets do represent a source of potential energy – and that is a major change in thinking. It would be extremely interesting to have coils embedded in the PMs in order to remagnetize them in situ as a function of energy operation. In that way, the electrical current could serve two purposes and perhaps a greater anomaly would be seen.