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From: Jed Rothwell <>
Sent: Monday, June 25, 2018 12:10:37 PM
To: Vortex;
Subject: [Vo]:My comments about Shanahan in the Fleischmann Miles correspondence

Here are the letters from Fleischmann to Miles:

In my introduction, on p. 10, I said that Shanahan said some unbelievable 
things. I should have provided links to his quotes. Someone challenged me to do 
that over at<>. I agree I should, so I 
spent an hour digging up some of the quotes. That's a lot of work! It takes a 
long time because it is difficult to navigate that web site. So, anyway, here 
is a link to my response:

I did not cover every point I made in the Introduction. One of the things I 
described in this message, but not in the intro, is his assertion that the cell 
was heated with electrolysis, and it was still hot 3 days after it was 
disconnected. Here's the thing. He did not actually say that. He implied it. He 
said, for example, "I granted this [the cell was hot] given that you are 
referring to when they disconnected it from the heaters that had heated it up 
to the point it was too hot to touch." When I and others pointed out it was 3 
days later, he refused to answer or comment. He repeatedly makes these 
statements, refuses to comment. Then he claims he did not make them, and then 
he makes them again. When people point this out, he says they are lying. This 
is called "gaslighting" (from the movie title). Described here:

1. They tell blatant lies.

You know it's an outright lie. Yet they are telling you this lie with a 
straight face. Why are they so blatant? Because they're setting up a precedent. 
Once they tell you a huge lie, you're not sure if anything they say is true. 
Keeping you unsteady and off-kilter is the goal.

2. They deny they ever said something, even though you have proof.

You know they said they would do something; you know you heard it. But they out 
and out deny it. It makes you start questioning your reality—maybe they never 
said that thing. And the more they do this, the more you question your reality 
and start accepting theirs.

- Jed

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