Nigel, Interesting. This old patent (Grander patent) sounds very much like one part or facet of the IEC device. But that patent lapsed so it probably did not work.
Curiously, the WIPO has a valid disclosure classification called “Alleged dynamo-electric perpetua mobilia “ H02K53/00 Which is a recognition that there could be economic value in such conceptions - even if not obvious-- and even if “alleged”… Gotta luv the latent duplicity there…. Yet ... It could be true there are two separate effects going on – each small and almost un-noticeable but together they could be useful, even if they only increase efficiency in any motor with permanent magnets. One of the effects appears to be geometric – and Jürg’s 4D understanding of spin could be applicable. I can see no other reason for the 90 degree PTO than to allow for some kind of distorted spin-spin coupling. Well… no rationale other than the complex self-delusion of an inventor who does not appear to be dishonest, but is also far from forthcoming…. From: Nigel Dyer I posted this link on Vortex in response to the recent posts on magnetic energy generators https://patents.google.com/patent/WO1982003300A1/en?oq=WO+82%2f03300 I have reason to beleive that there is a working version of this. Nigel JonesBeene wrote: BTW – this German patent turns up https://patents.google.com/patent/DE4304132A1/en The information in the patent could be instructive – IF – there is any anomaly at all in the Danzik device. They are suggesting a low rpm anomaly – which could involve spin-spin coupling interactions on several levels. ----------------------------------- I agree with Terry that there is no known reason in physics for this device to work. And… there are lots of reasons including centuries of experience as witnessed in a litany of failed attempts - for this kind of device not to work. Curiously, Terry was involved in a magmo project which was arguably related to this one in that it involved a large very mass of very strong magnets. In both cases, if the experimental device had indeed worked - and thereby violated the LoT (big IF) then… at its most fundamental basis… there would have been some kind of “super-size it” effect which converts disorder into order on a sufficient scale to pass a thermodynamic tipping point … or so the argument goes. Such a hypothetical negentropy effect - in the most general terms, would somehow employ magnetic precession and unbalanced field effects as an ordering principle. The LoT can be viewed as the overriding force for disorder (randomness) in nature and the magnetic field itself creates some amount of order out of disorder. But so far in human history – no one has been able to overcome this tendency for disorder by simply scaling up to a larger mass of ordered material. Nevertheless, I predict that humans will keep on trying to “supersize it” – even if Dennis Danzik adds his name to a long list of failures… Several tons of ordered mass may not work - but next time someone (with disdain for “laws”) will try to assemble several tens of tons 😊 From: Terry Blanton Subject: Re: [Vo]:Article on Dennis Danzik - Inventor of EarthEngine (magmo) Pulse driven flywheels. They have a big yellow battery driving them. See Bedini. The magnetic cycle is conservative.
