Since were throwing around the names of - shall we say, controversial personalities like Bob Lazar ... don't forget the original (not in time but in independently verified successful demonstrations). And it is not 'Joe' nor Yull Brown nor Archie Blue but instead is a guy with even more baggage, but also with real scientific credentials, and some 'hint' of real proof: Stanley Meyer.

Without getting into the sordid details of that episode in alternative-energy, and the psychological problems of a tormented-soul, here is a fairly authoritative report, supposedly independent, from an expert in electrolysis who witnessed one of the successful demos (other demos were apparently not successful):

"A second cell carried nine stainless steel double tube cell units and generated much more gas. A sequence of photographs was taken showing gas production at milliamp levels. When the voltage was turned up to its peak value, the gas then poured off at a very impressive level.

"We did notice that the water at the top of the cell slowly became discolored with a pale cream and dark brown precipitate, almost certainly the effects of the chlorine in the heavily chlorinated tap water on the stainless steel tubes used as "excitors".

[Meyer elsewhere stated that the water was not chlorinated and should be either distilled or demineralized, but.... what did he know?]

"He was demonstrating hydrogen gas production at milliamp and kilovolt levels."

[This high voltage (~2000 v) is in contrast to the Joe Cell (12 v) and to normal electrolysis (~ 2.5 v) and indicates an electrostatic modality, which actually may be more consistent with the electrical input being a "tickler" for the Helmholtz surface reaction]

"The most remarkable observation is that the cell and all its metal pipework remained quite cold to the touch, even after more than twenty minutes of operation. The splitting mechanism clearly evolves little heat in sharp contrast to electrolysis where the electrolyte warms up quickly."

"The practical demonstration of the Meyer cell appears substantially more convincing than the para-scientific jargon which has been used to explain it. The inventor himself talks about a distortion and polarization of the water molecule resulting in the H:OH bonding tearing itself apart under the electrostatic potential gradient, of a resonance within the molecule which amplifies the effect."

"Apart from the copious hydrogen/oxygen gas evolution and the minimal temperature rise within the cell, witnesses also report that water within the cell disappears rapidly, presumably into its component parts and as an aerosol from the myriad of tiny bubbles breaking the surface of the cell. Meyer claims to have run a converted VW on hydrogen/oxygen mixture for the last four years using a chain of six cylindrical cells."

END of quoted excerpts (original can be found on Keelynet)

The biggest departure from Meyer's work by the Joe-Cell proponents (more like a degeneration from more advanced predecessor work) is the sharply lower voltage. Given the Meyer success (occasional at least), however, it would be wise for any experiment to try to accommodate both high voltage and low voltage operation in the same type of cell. However, to his credit, Joe did make on big advance over Meyer.

Query: The one advance made by Joe could very well be the long *pretreatment* of the water in a DC electric field ... causing one to wonder what would have happened had Meyer known about that particular detail ... and/or also causing the observer to wonder how long it will take for someone else to re-connect all the dots... not just these tow but all the dots.

We have Stan, Joe, Archie, Yull and others - all of which prior-art has been hitting around the edges of the 'bulls-eye' which is ultra-efficient electrolysis . IMHO, given that necessity is the mother-of-invention, and Hubbert has provided the nedssity, it is only a matter of time before someone refocused the sights and scores a direct hit...

Apparently the mother-of-invention is romantically attracted to these 'characters' ... who as Pierre sez ... are mostly Pas-Normal ?

Jones

I should phonetically explain that attempted cross-cultural pun, but not today....

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