Terry allow me to disagree. I understand the UPS manufacturers rating game, I 
have played it myself, but it is not misleading in fact, it is not even a 
little cheating as you imply: if the 15 kW UPS you mention has to spit out 15 
kW, it _will do it_ of course, and if it's load has a power factor of 0.75 as 
is quite common, the rms current will _actually be 167 A_ (15000/(120*0.75)), 
so it will _really_ be outputting 167*120=20 kVA. And the wires will heat up as 
if the 167A were real, which they are.

The UPS rating only misleads the dudes who think that Pavg=Urms*Irms, and those 
deserve to be misled anyway ;)

Controversy solved?

Michel

P.S. As for the UPS's IGBTs or Mosfets, they often paradoxically prefer this 
kind of load (rectifier+filter, PF=0.6 to 0.8) to a purely resistive load 
drawing the same kW. Mine did in any case, as such loads only drew current when 
they were saturated :)



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Sent: Wednesday, June 07, 2006 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: Battery shapes


> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michel Jullian
> 
> I don't understand why it is absolutely impossible, is the load's power 
> factor
> unity i.e. is it purely resistive? If the load's power factor is equal 
> to 0.8
> which is typical of computer power supplies, the dudes are right I am 
> afraid.
> 
> <><><><><><>
> 
> The UPS IGBT switches are not designed for a sustained 167 A output.
> 
> It's a game the manufacturer's play.  Almost everyone makes a 15 kW UPS 
> which they *used* to call a 17 kVA (nominal) UPS assuming a 0.9 PF.  
> Then one day another manufacturer advertized the same UPS as a 20 kVA 
> (nominal) and in small print at the bottom he stated that he assumed 
> 0.8 PF.
> 
> Careful of any spec which says "nominal", BTW.  :-)
> 
> Terry
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