Probably most of them I would imagine since in the course
of one short e-mail you managed to misspell Vortex TWICE!
"lay population of Votex"
"I hope others in and of votrtex"
I think it is perhaps better to misspell than to populate Vortex-L with any
number of oddball theories and/or speculated subatomic particles of which
there is not the least bit of experimental evidence for their existence.
There is really no excuse for this type of sloppiness in a
scientific discussion. It is insulting to other members.
Really now, there is a lot that goes on here which is insulting to other
list members, and you ALL know that. Be it politics, religion, completely
ignoring reasonable posts by list members, and most annoying of all to me at
least, propagation of conjecture for which there is either no evidence at
all, or of which no tests are even SUGGESTED to test for said evidence.
Now, to ask a few questions of my own and rephrase a few of John's so that
(perhaps) someone will answer them:
1. I know what "ZPE" is supposed to be. Besides the Casimir effect and some
theoretical predictions, is there and HARD evidence that such actually
exists in any way shape or form that is similar to what is being bandied
about here?
2. "Beta atmosphere"....? What is this supposed to be, really? What is
"Alpha" and or (insert other Greek letters) in this context? What
experimental proof is there that this exists? How can we measure it, test
for it, test its properties, and use it to our advantage?
3. "Electronium"...I understand that positronium is supposed to be a bound
state of a positron and an electron which is very unstable. What then is
electronium? Two electrons and a positron, yielding a "thing" with mass of
3e(or p) and a net charge of -1? Evidence for this thing please? I seem to
recall an experiment involving playing with the vertical drive coils of a
small TV, and looking for a less deflected lineon the phosphor screen which
would correspond to something with an electron's charge but higher mass. I
recall also that nothing was found. If positrons are in it, the only thing I
can think of is maybe doping the cathode with something that emits positrons
is relatively high quantities. But who knows.
4. What John has been asking, I believe is basically this. Has anyone doing
these cold fusion/electrolysis experiments been taking into account evolved
H and O (either in atomic or molecular form) and figuring it into net energy
output either by
1. Volume of gas evolved
2. Total mass of gas evolved
3. Heat produced by burning this nicely volatile mixture
John, anything else to add here please?
I will say this in closing, John is a very smart guy and he knows his
stuff...anyone who has actually spoken with him for any length of time will
appreciate this. Don't dismiss him so readily, he has important things to
say. Granted, maybe his method of posting is a little at right angles to the
way we normally post, but as Maxwell might well remind us, sometimes right
angles are pretty damned important.
Regards,
--Kyle
