Patrick Vessey wrote:
> Terry wrote:
>
> What amazes me, Grimer, is that I can't seem to get anyone to even
> go see it. A few people will discuss it; but, I have yet to
> convince anyone to go with me and help verify the measurements.
Terry,
Several months ago, I watched a car crash of discussion threads
evolve on the Y! free_energy group between Paul Sprain, his partner
and Tom Schum on one side, and most everyone else - led by Dave Howe
- on the other.
The way that things fizzled out was with Paul disappearing off the
group.
However, before leaving, both he and his partner claimed that they
could run their motor just from a charged cap - with no outside power
source. For example, see this post from Paul:
---quote---
[ snip ]
Here it is in a nut shell:
THE MOTOR WILL SELF RUN WITH NO OUTSIDE POWER SOURCE. NO MEASUREMENTS
NEEDED, NO GUESSING, NO MISTAKES!
E.M.I.L.I.E WILL START FROM A FULLY CHARGED 25V 5000uF CAP THEN WILL
CONTINUE TO RUN UNTIL YOUR ARE SATISFIED OR 3 HOURS WHICH EVER COMES
FIRST.
This is a very strange statement.
Why would it self-run for "3 hours"? Why would it not run until the
bearings wore out? Why would an observer who was not satisfied in 3
hours have to remain unsatisfied (which is the implication here)?
I'm sorry, I know this sounds like a nit, but an apparently arbitrary
time limit like that makes it sound like either (a) the message wasn't
serious or (b) _something_ runs down after 3 hours in which case the
claim of self-running is not quite right.
YOU WILL BE ABLE TO MOVE THE DEVICE, LOOK UNDERNEATH IT, TEST IT
USING YOUR OWN METERS. NO HIDDEN COMPARTMENTS, NOTHING WILL BE OFF
LIMITS TO YOU. DO YOU UNDERSTAND? ANYTHING YOU WANT TO TEST YOU CAN!
This is what I'm claiming!
Using NO outside power source!
Again, I'm sorry to pick a nit this way, but if it uses a charged
capacitor to get it going, and if it stops after 3 hours (after which
the cap must be recharged?) it sounds like, well, there _is_ an outside
power source, after all.
The torque force created by the
magnetic field gradient, when converted into electricity
OK, this is another nit.
You can't convert torque to electricity. Torque is force, not power. A
small nit, it's true, but when discussing a power system where precise
details of power production and consumption are absolutely critical, it
would be nice if people would be careful to state things like this
correctly.
will be enough to pulse the electromagnet and allow the rotor magnet
to slip
by.
Sincerely, Harry Paul Sprain ---ends---
Now, things may have changed since then. However, at that time, he
was confident in it (effectively) self running.
Again, the claim was that it would self-run for 3 hours, not indefinitely.
If that still
stands, it would make verifing his claims somewhat simpler...
Only if it self-runs indefinitely.
[I'm sure you're aware of the msgs that I'm referring to. If not,
search Y! free_energy for posts from 'metalspiderkiller' (Sprain) and
'magnetpowerman' (his oppo)]
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