It certainly is YOUR history of Israel... Quite a fairy-tale.
And as for: "Unfortunately, this required stealing land and homes from the
people who lived in Palestine where Israel was to be located." Ah - these
Jews; always stealing things from people... Tut, tut.
Perhaps you should read a history book and amass a few uncomfortable
facts. Or perhaps you should just stick to physics where some verification
is required as opposed to either unfounded personal opinion or downright lies.
I guess you simply can't let verifiable facts get in the way of your own
personal viewpoints - can you?
And as I said before, the bad guys aren't considered bad until they come to
take a (figurative) bite of one's own rear-end. At that point we create
the fastest known transmutation in the universe; instant good to instant bad.
You see I personally don't care WHY people may want to do nasty things to
me. Pontification is - pehaps obviously - not my favorite
preoccupation. All I know is what I see with my own eyes; what is
ultimately verifiable. A good example is the hand-wringing that followed
the 9/11 murders. Many self-professed "intellectuals" desperately wanted
to find out why "they" did it. Some even invented excuses; what to them
were sensible reasons. The fact is that 19 murderers killed 3000 people -
not Americans - just ordinary people. I couldn't care less then, and I
couldn't care less now WHY they did it. I just know they did it. And any
action taken as a result has to simply keep that fact in mind. The rest is
just fantasy.
My suggestion - take it or leave it - is for you to divest yourself, for
just a few minutes, of your mantle of fame and greatness and take a good
honest look at what's left. Could be very revealing.
P.
At 12:24 PM 8/12/2006 -0600, you wrote:
Philip Winestone wrote:
"Israel is only rich because it is supported by the US and donations, and
it has harvested brain power from all over the world."
Now that's what I call a rich statement. Can you explain it so that mere
mortals like myself can understand it?
Well, hopefully without boring or pissing off too many people, here is my
very brief history of Israel.
It starts with WWI, after which Germany was improvised by the treaty of
Versailles. Hitler took advantage of the desperate situation by promising
to restore the grandeur of the state and make life better. However, he
needed money to do this. The Jews had money and they were generally
resented by the Germans. So he stole the money by making the Jews appear
to be the cause of Germany's problems. People will believe anything when
they are desperate or afraid. However, he could not simply make the Jews
improvised without having to feed them and put up with a lot of trouble,
so he decided to kill them - thus started the death camps. After the war,
people in general and the surviving Jews in particular were outraged and
embarrassed that such a great crime was allowed to happen. So the state
of Israel was created. Unfortunately, this required stealing land and
homes from the people who lived in Palestine where Israel was to be
located. From the Jew's point of view, this was ok because God had given
this land to them centuries ago and it was subsequently stolen from
them. So, some Palestinians were placed in camps and others were pushed
into land outside of Israel. As anyone with half a mind would predict, the
displaced people were unhappy and began to cause trouble. After several
wars with the unhappy neighbors and displaced people, the boundaries of
Israel were extended to where they are today. Meanwhile, the displaced
people have grown more resentful about their treatment and more powerful
in creating problems for Israel. Terrorism is being used to counter the
overwhelming military might of Israel and the US, with the US paying an
increasing price for being associated with Israel. Meanwhile, Israel has
had to devote a large fraction of its gross national product to military
defense including an expensive nuclear weapons program. Israel is a small
country that has neither oil, gold, nor diamonds to sell. It does not
make cars sold all over the world nor does it make large numbers of
high-end electronic products like Japan and Korea. How does this small
country pay for the huge overhead this military defense requires? The
answer is, it gets the money from the US as our largest receiver of
foreign aid and it gets donations from rich individuals who want Israel to
survive. Meanwhile the cost keeps going up for everyone. No one seems able
to find a solution because the Israelis are good guys and the other guys
are terrorists and, therefore, bad. Israel bombs an innocent country
killing many noncombatants. The response is rockets having the same
effect, but on a smaller scale. People in that part of the world now hate
the US and are starting to give us a taste of what has become modern
combat. All of this was caused by the way Israel was created and it will
continue because desperation, paranoia, resentment, and fear on both sides
have now become institutionalized. Unfortunately, the other side in the
conflict now knows that the US is weak because we are overextended in
Iraq, because we are addicted to oil, which is easy for people to deny us,
and because we have created a financial nightmare within our own
country. Consider this, the housing market is in collapse because of
higher interest rates, which are required because we need to borrow so
much money from other countries; as the price of gas goes up the US car
companies are being pushed closer to bankruptcy; and US airlines are
already on the ropes and will probably be pushed over the edge by this
latest terrorist threat even though no one died. In other words, thanks
to our past policies, the bad guys have a good chance of bring down the
house of cards. Of course, in other parts of the world, these guys are
not considered bad, especially if they win. So, the question is, what can
we do about the situation? This just might be a question worth
considering before it is too late.
Ed
P.
At 02:56 PM 8/11/2006 -0600, you wrote:
Terry Blanton wrote:
On 8/11/06, Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
We need to use our creativity to explore another way.
That's easy:
1) Make energy free.
Unfortunately, free energy would not solve the problem. Free energy
would mean the Middle Eastern countries would be even poorer than they
presently are. Israel is only rich because it is supported by the US
and donations, and it has harvested brain power from all over the world.
The countries have long since exhausted the environment of useful
minerals, the climate is too dry for extensive agriculture, and most of
the soil is poor thanks to centuries of poor management. A country needs
to produce something the rest of the world wants. Of course, if we did
not need oil, we would ignore the internal conflicts there just like we
do when they occur in countries of Africa where oil is not present.
Thanks to the tools of terrorism, people who are sufficiently unhappy
can no longer be ignored.
2) Eliminate religion.
Religion is the only concept that justifies being as good as we are.
Very few people are "good" just because it is their nature. Granted,
religion is taken to extreme, but all ideas are taken to extreme sooner
or later. If religion and the rules it imposes are not applied, what do
you suggest be used in its place?
It's only the path which is in question.
That is true. How do we get people to follow the best path?
Ed
Terry
