--- Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Esa Ruoho > > > they can't say why its overunity - who would > believe them? > > that's why they went public and are picking out a > row of > > skeptical scientists to prove once and for all if > its overunity > > or not. > > Forget all that. Can you answer the single critical > issue of > self-power (or lack thereof) ? > > If a self-powered unit exists now - where is it? - > regardless of > any explanations/ skepticism - a self-powered unit > is all the > evidence which in needed by anyone, skeptic or not. > > Why not just call the BBC in to film it running > under self-power, > while those supposedly skeptical scientists are > debating the > underlying modality, which is probably related to > ZPE/Casimir in > some fashion? Is that too much to ask from a company > which is > seemingly struggling and dying for public > recognition - and paying > dearly for much of it instead of putting those > resources into > development ? > > Let me say at the outset - that magnetic overunity > [or magnets > with coils, pendulums, or some combination of > mechanical recycling > of torque with a magnetic boost] will probably be > demonstrated by > someone next year - 2007 ! as there are many groups > who are on the > verge now. MPI would be expected to have something > next year > and/or Sprain in Atlanta, and five or six lesser and > "fringier" > efforts which include Perendev, Minato, Torbay and > Steorn etc. I > would put Steorn firmly at the tail end of this > list, due solely > to the way they have handled the announcement - but > a single > self-running demo will immediately change that. Not > that it > matters. Proof - not PR - is all that matters. > Self-running = > Proof. > > If Steorn were not so PR-oriented - and highly > desirous of every > kind-word of public recognition - why else did they > announce this > in such an expensive way, characteristic of a PR > blitz (or the > "Czech Dream") ? shouldn't a company which > apparently has not paid > their corporate licensing fees have saved the > 100,000 pounds for > the expensive advertising and just called up > Oxford/Cambridge for > a private showing? It just does not make sense - the > way they have > handled it, unless they have been hired to do it as > a stunt of > some kind. Maybe Branson or some other drama-queen > is hiding in > there somewhere. > > Apparently (or if) it is not a self-runner, then > that narrows the > issue considerably, as **measurement error** is very > common in > this type of device. Almost anyone here, especially > the > "consultants" - if that was said in a derogatory > fashion - could > have explained this issue of likely > measurement-error to Steorn - > and in great detail. That is, had Steorn not "come > out of > nowhere" --- which is yet another problem for their > credulity. > There is a community of creative but careful > scientific people > involved heavily in this field, and no one at Steorn > was not part > of it - prior to recently. > > And look at the wasted time. Steorn has wasted > infinitely more > precious time with mundane PR details, endless press > questioning > and facility tours, etc then a single BBC filming > would have > accomplished on day-one ---IF--- Steorn has a > device which will > self-run. If not - the most of us will agree that it > is likely > measurement error. > > Skeptics who want to go on record with the "told you > so" thing > should be focusing solely on that issue: is it > self-running or > not. If it is not, then Steorn has a monstrous > problem on their > hands and will probably look like fools in the end. > > Plus - did not someone at Steorn actually claim that > they had a > device self-running for an extended period, but that > they could > not show it for some strange reason --- like it had > been > disassembled to make an even better model ! > > Ha! Sounds very much like the English crank > scientist who claimed > to have invented an anti-gravity device but he cold > not show it to > the skeptics because his wife had inadvertently > turned it on - and > it blasted through the roof of his home and escaped > into space ! > He could show the hole, however. > > Suspension of disbelief has its limits. > > Jones > > (not a Steorn skeptic yet -- just stating the > obvious > inconsistencies with their story, and the sad way in > which they > have handled what could be a monumental discovery, > if it could be > believed) > > Let me repeat - This is NOT the way science - even > fringe-science > is handled, and that is why all the suspicion is > warranted - even > though Steorn does not yet have the "tin cup" > stretched out -- as > the less-sophisticated scammers like to do early-on.
I have something to add. I have no idea if Steorn is legit, but personally I have seen far too many claims. We all know what has happened. Such a group claims to have completed a "free energy" device, and the group fades over time. Time will tell, but I have a hunch Steorn's purpose is to inflict damage on the "free energy" community. Scientists need to ignore any attempts of doing damage or disinformation. Lets all just please continue on the good work of researching "free energy." Regards, Paul Lowrance ____________________________________________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. http://new.mail.yahoo.com
