Michel Jullian wrote. > > There are loads of radio sources more powerful than the cosmic background out there, and the cosmic background is ubiquitous as you said so you wouldn't expect a daily variation. > > As discussed here several times before, extracting electrical energy from radio waves to power an electrical device is nothing extraordinary, e.g. that's how crystal radios power themselves, loudspeaker included. Whether significant energy can be extracted from _extraterrestrial_ radio sources I don't know, one would have to look up the watts per square meter we get from them but I suspect a huge array of antennas would be needed to heat one's house :) If it's only sizeable during daytime, solar energy is certainly cheaper to collect. > You miss the point Michel, the visible and infrared radiation from any light source reflected off the environs can provide significant radiation energy, including the infrared to far infrared at night, if you can Photon-Photon Heterodyne it down to MegaHz-GigaHz frequencies that can be worked with. Moray noted that the daytime energy was greater.than nighttime which makes sense.
IOW it's possible that the inherent copper oxide film on the copper wire aerials he used was doing the heterodyning, but the surface area of an 87 or 200 foot long aerial isn't much. Lots of possible Red Herrings in his efforts. Fred > > Michel > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Frederick Sparber" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "vortex-l" <[email protected]> > Sent: Saturday, December 16, 2006 4:14 PM > Subject: RE: [Vo]: Re: T. H.Moray's Energy Device > > > > Going by speculation posted earlier and Moray's comment that > > "the daytime energy was greater", I think number 3, photon-photon > > heterodyning at the metal-superficial metal oxide aerial surface would be worth > > a look. > > A roll of aluminum foil stretched across the room as the aerial, with > > a Coherer, a good ground, and some megahz to gigahz tuning > > components and a light bulb load. > > A near-infrared (2.414729E14 Hz) photon wavelength of 1.242 micron 1.0 eV > > beating against a 1.0 eV (2.414715E14 Hz) infrared photon would > > give a 1.42 gigaHz beat frequency, and so on. > > > > BTW. 1.428 gigaHz is the ubiquitous 21 cm cosmic background (3 K) frequency. > > > > Fred > > Ignoring T. H. Moray's ventures into solid state physics with > > emphasis on his pre-1912 results using a long-wire antenna, a > > ferrous metal powder "Coherer" and a good ground opens up > > several possibilities for extracting useable energy from the cosmos. > > > > http://www.rexresearch.com/moray2/morayrer.htm > > > > "[p. 20] "I started my experiments with the taking of electricity from the ground, as I termed it, during the summer of 1909. By fall of 1910 I had sufficient power to operate a small electrical device, and I made a demonstration of my idea to two friends... This demonstration in the early stages consisted of operating a miniature arc light... It soon became evident that the energy was not static and that the static of the universe would be of no assistance to me in obtaining the power I was seeking... " > > "During the Christmas Holidays of 1911, I began to fully realize that the energy I was working with was not of a static nature, but of an oscillating nature. Further I realized that the energy was not coming out of the earth, but instead was coming to the earth from some outside source. These electrical oscillations in the form of waves were not simple oscillations, but were surgings --- like the waves of the sea --- coming to the earth continually, more in the daytime than at night, but always coming in vibrations from the reservoir of colossal energy out there in space. By this time I was able to obtain enough power to light the old 16-candlepower carbon lamp for about one half capacity, and I did not seem to make any further improvement until the spring of 1925." " > > Man-made radio waves (if Tesla wasn't around) would be hard put to exceed > > 50 millivolts per meter (2.2E-14 Joule per cubic meter) or 6.6E-6 watts per square meter > > at any given frequency most of which were from radio telegraphy transmitters that > > predated amplitude modulated (cat whisker detector-rectifier) voice broadcasting. > > Some "non-radio" possibilities: > > 1, Zero point energy (ZPE) extraction-resonance effects in the Coherer? > > 2, Thermoelectric (Seebeck-Peltier) thermal effects between the Aerial > > and the cooler-warmer earth Ground? > > 3, Surface Heterodyne (beat frequency) action between visible to far infrared > > photons striking the Aerial? > > 4, Radio Frequency energy coming out of the earth and radiating > > off the Aerial? > > 5, A reverse ground wave emergency network (GWEN) transmitter? < grin > > > Fred >
