Easy: Hot Shots! Part Deux A few of your points below I don't agree with (see below)
Michel ----- Original Message ----- From: "Kyle R. Mcallister" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Friday, February 16, 2007 2:29 AM Subject: [Vo]: Lifters > All, > > As far as the lifters go, I can say this: I have worked with these little > gizmos quite a bit in the past, particularly several years ago when > "Transdimensional" and all started the hype. I don't know what NASA has to > say about them, nor do I particularly care, given their (NASA's) rather > dubious track record. > > 1. They do not work in hard vacuum. This has been tested many times, > Blazelabs has tested this, I have tested it, others have as well. It is > pretty well determined that they do not function in hard vacuum. In very > soft vacuums they do work, as there is still air to push around, of course. > Around 1 - 0.1 torr, there is nothing but glow discharge. At harder vacuums, > as the residual gas is taken away and the voltage across the electrodes > again climbs to several kV, no thrust reappears. > > 2. They do not work when shielded with a dielectric shield THAT IS CARRIED > ALONG RIGIDLY WITH THE LIFTER. Note the capitalization! Some have just > covered one electrode or the other, or had the lifter lift inside a > stationary box. This proves nothing. > > 3. If you put the dielectric shield too close to the electrodes, the lifter > will still work. This has caused many a great deal of confusion. What seems > to happen is a combination of things, induced charges on the dielectric > shield, the fact that the electric field of these devices is very large and > will "reach out" a long ways, etc. If the shield is too close to the > electrodes, they can still be in touch with the environment external to the > shield. > > 4. They do not work if you put them in a grounded metal cage. This was made > of aluminum window screen, wrapped around a LDPE dielectric shield. If you > ground the cage to HV+, no thrust. If you ground it to HV-, no thrust. If > you ground it to 0V (I was using a bipolarity supply) you still get nothing. They work fine in a grounded metal cage in my experience. In the experiments you describe it may be more a question of the LDPE stopping the wind? > 5. I never had compasses malfunction or anything like that happen. I ran > tests using voltages from 1kV up to a maximum of just over 200kV. These were > not flyweight current supplies either like a VDG, these were brutal DC > supplies that can kill you until you die from it. :) (cookie to whoever > figures out what movie that line is from) The 200kV supply would bring the > whole 700+ sq ft room up to potential. At night and with the lights off, the > dirt accumulated in between the 1 sq ft vinyl floor tiles would emit > pointlike corona discharges....looked like a bunch of miniature city blocks. > Compasses still pointed north. > > 6. I used power supplies that had frequencies ranging from almost perfect DC > to 60cps up to several tens of kcps. The straight DC always worked better at > getting the lifter to "lift" in open air, but nothing made them lift when > properly shielded. > > 7. It is not just ion wind, Balderdash :) It's as much ion wind as helicopters are propeller generated wind. > but a combination of things in addition to it: > differential excitation of N2 and O2, the (far reaching) effects of the > (large) electric field on surrounding air, etc. I never found anything > unconventional in this. > > 8. For posting these findings to several Yahoo groups, I have been banned. So was I :) Maybe also because I said what I thought about Naudin's scientific skills one or two times :) > I > was informed that I was trying to impede the march of science, or somesuch. > Been too many years to remember exactly, and I really don't care to recall > those dark times. > > To be honest, I wish these damned little tinfoil and matchstick affairs had > never surfaced. Now every man, woman, child, and fruit fly thinks they can > have antigravity with three matches, a bit of aluminum foil and a piece of > wire. And a computer monitor with the case broken off. If there is something > to "electrogravity", this is not it, and all this is doing is making it > harder for those of us looking at things that *might* be real to be able to > present things, should they pan out. Cry wolf too many times, and no one is > going to care even if you walk up to the village with a wolf on a leash and > have trained it to go fetch. > > The lifter was not invented by "transdimensional" or whoever is latest > claiming credit. It is actually called the "electrokinetic apparatus" and > was invented by (yeah, you guessed it) Thomas Townsend Brown. First ion wind devices are much older than that, cf Bondar's site, but admittedly they didn't fly (rotating nails this kind of stuff) > But if you > will actually take the time to read his patent, he doesn't call it > antigravity, and refers to it as working within a dielectric fluid. > Interplanetary space doth not a dielectric fluid make. > > --Kyle >
