On Oct 31, 2007, at 8:34 AM, Stephen A. Lawrence wrote:



Jones Beene wrote:
Stephen
*Nothing* has been announced. I invite you to use your imagination.
He has no intention, nor obligation, to spell out details for you or anyone else until there is absolute certainty; and at that time he almost certainly will make the announcement elsewhere, due to the chilly reception received here.


Yeah, we asked whether the signal generator was still turned in on Video #7. That was rude of us.


Yep, bad manners all around.  Mea culpa!  8^)




In the meantime, and in the spirit of Halloween ;-) you have a few more hours to dig your skeptastrophe-grave even deeper.

Booo!  (Said in an abrupt and surprising manner!)  8^)



Jones, you do me a disservice.

All I have done, all along, is ask for definite statements as to what power sources were actually present. Is that "pathological skepticism"? (It may be _annoying_ -- I don't deny that. Asking repeatedly for answers to questions people apparently don't want to reply to is often annoying; I learned that during my brief and ill- starred career as a hardware engineer.)

Oh, I also suggested measuring the power actually coming out of the signal generator. How is that digging a "skeptastrophe grave"?


Stephen, somehow I get the impression the *objective* here is to generate a skeptastrophe.



And I expressed opinions about the use of the cage, mostly to the effect that arguments over whether it was adequately grounded were irrelevant (it blocks radio signals whether or not it's grounded). And I agreed with someone's suggestion,


Yep, it was I who suggested that. It would kill the lights bloody gory dead. Drip drip.


that grounding the circuit directly to the cage would eliminate all conventional external fields as possible power sources. Was that pathological skepticism?

As to this image -- You strongly implied the image showed the circuit operating closed loop. So if that's the case, if it's operating closed-loop, I'm asking why it's got external connections. Is that so strange?

How very unmannerly of you to question the obviously over unity self running circuit! Any clown can tell that without the slightest hesitation. Don't you see all the lights and the complex genius wiring!



If you DON'T believe it's an image of a circuit operating closed- loop, why did you make a big deal out of that image, and say we should all smash the phrase "The loop has been closed" onto our foreheads?

As to my annoying tendency to ask about power sources ... after watching video #7, and reading the transcript in which Dr. Stiffler said there was a ground wire hooked up, but made NO MENTION of the signal generator, and said NOTHING about the pan ... and after it turned out the signal generator was actually running during that video, and was apparently connected to the pan, which was, by his own measurements, capacitively coupled to the breadboard, via about 31 pF between pan and breadboard baseplate ... I think it's perfectly reasonable to ask about things like the big red alligator clip, rather than just ASSUMING that it's irrelevant.


OTOH - I find the image very interesting and provocative, even with the caveats which you have mentioned.
Jones

It is ironic that I was actually interested in replication. I think the thermal energy balance and the subjective lighting advantages are very interesting. However, being unable to get answers to simple questions for replication purposes, like what are some parts sources, why the apparent errors in parts specifications, or what is attached to what or what is on, makes for a high level of disinterest, as does the implied need to go read other lists. What a time waster. This has a SMOT feel to it, though admittedly that was an April Fools event, and this seems to be more of a Halloween event. Less foolishness but more clowning around. Booo!


Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/



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