Mark, I'm tired of these people... There's a Jewish guy called Norm Finkelstein who is both a holocaust denier and an Arab terrorist apologist (to say the least). Then there's my favourite, Noam Chomsky. Like they say, if there are ten Jews in a room, you'll get at least eleven opinions.
Perhaps this writer should investigate and write about Arab plunder and conquest... but then again that's really dangerous; he could get seriously hurt - even killed. Far safer to write insane stuff about his fellow Jews. No fatwas in Judaism. About 2000 years ago, the best Jewish (I don't think they were called Jews then) fighters assembled in Jerusalem before taking on the Romans in one mother of all battles. Between arriving in Jerusalem and "girding up their loins" the Jewish fighters were so busy slaughtering each other, that they forgot their true purpose. Go figure. Of course, as we know the Romans won big time and renamed that bit of land "Palestine" just to rub it in (after the Philistines, the arch-enemy of Israel). The same situation is taking place as we speak. Ideology and ego have replaced common sense, and perhaps outmoded things like honesty and decency... So we get guys writing such stunningly intellectual books... and those who lap up their content. <End of lecture> P. ----- Original Message ---- From: Mark S Bilk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 10:32:25 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds Here's a good description of the history of Israel and Palestine, by a jewish author: http://takingaimradio.com/hhz/ The Hidden History of Zionism, By Ralph Schoenman On Sun, Jun 08, 2008 at 09:41:28PM -0600, Edmund Storms wrote: > I don't like the situation either, Philip. However, when a nation has the > oil we need, it is apparently easy to be nice. If not, we have to pay an > even greater price for our principles. This is actually the way the world > works these days. In the past, the US called the shots. Increasingly, the > oil suppliers and China will call the shots. Get use to the idea, because > it is only going to get worse. You should ask why such a situation was > allowed to develop. These situations do not occur by accident. > > As for Israel, it is hard to choose words carefully and still be honest. > The situation is not based on scientific logic, but on faith and religious > belief. A significant number of people in the US believe that Israel was > given to the Jews by God. These people have significant influence and they > vote. Therefore, any criticism about how Israel behaves is unpopular, being > called anti-Semitism. As a result, Israel can cause the US to do things > that would otherwise be impossible if demanded by another country. History > shows why is is true. Creation of the country displaced millions of > Palestinians. These people were forced from their homes and land. This is a > fact. As a result, these people and people in the surrounding countries > have been and continue to be angry at the unfairness of this, regardless of > the justification based on God's will. Nevertheless, the US has sided > heavily in favor of Israel. Because the Palestinians do not have modern > weapons, as supplied by the US to Israel, they fight with the only tools > they have. The US labels this method terrorism, which it is. As a result, > the situation is made more one sided and desperate. No body wins and the US > is dragged deeper into the conflict. No matter which side you favor, this > is the situation. The policies used in the past have clearly not worked no > matter how "correct" you think them to be. The question is, what do you > suggest we do now? > > Ed > > PHILIP WINESTONE wrote: > >> I personally don't like the idea of playing nice with people whose >> greatest wish is to cut my throat. The leader of the greatest and most >> benevolent country in the world (I didn't say it was perfect) has to "make >> nice" to people who by their teachings precipitated the 9/11 disaster, and >> who incidentally benefit greatly in many ways, many of them most >> unpleasant, from current oil prices? Just a little strange to me. I'm no >> politician, but I do respect - as the Soviets did - a nation whose leaders >> make it perfectly clear what would happen if America were to be >> jeopardized. Not so with the Saudis. We "make nice." >> As for "supporting everything the Israeli government wants." Can you be a >> little more definitive? You say, "... the Bush gang is so incompetent and >> so under the domination of Israel..." Perhaps you could reword this so >> that we could all understand (if we're interested, which I'm sure most >> people here aren't) exactly what this tiny nation in this tiny sliver of >> land (about the size of New Jersey) is using to "dominate" the most >> powerful nation in the world. I guess it could be Viagra... Whatever it >> is, I'd like some of this "domination juice." >> Please choose you words a little more carefully if you can't offer >> "scientific explanations." They're a dead giveaway... >> P. >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Edmund Storms <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: [email protected] >> Sent: Sunday, June 8, 2008 7:03:40 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Oil Gang responds >> Well, Philip, you did see Bush holding hands with the Saudi king. He was >> trying to get the Saudi to pump more oil, which they refused to do. >> However, I see no conflict with playing nice with the Saudi and >> supporting everything the Israeli government wants. One is done for >> money and the other is done for politics. Unfortunately, the two have >> now formed an explosive mixture. >> Ed
