Steven -

No such insinuation was made or implied by me, but you go on and on as if I
had, leading inevitably to the conclusion that I don't know what I was
talking about, which of course discredits the position I have taken on this
issue. Is this what you call an intellectually honest discussion? I was of
course (and quite obviously) referring to the point at hand, which, instead
of some pinpoint prediction of the midday temperature of Palmer AK on June
22 2031, was our predictive ability to expect climate warming given our
carbon contribution. That is indeed a very large bracket, and this has
always been my understanding of how attempts to understand and predict on
the system have been applied, despite your baseless claim to the contrary. 

- Rick

-----Original Message-----
From: OrionWorks [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 09, 2008 6:21 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [Vo]:Re: Sunspotless

Again, repeating a snippet of Rick Monteverde's prior comment:

> ...                              But Horace, if you
> *know* that you *can* predict and even steer an immense chaotic system 
> like planetary climate - please please pretty PLEEEASE email me your 
> stock picks NOW!!!

I would second Jed's comment in regards to interpreting complex computer
simulations, specifically attempts to predict global weather patterns.

It is absurd to insinuate that complex computer systems attempting to
predict weather patterns have been designed to pinpoint and predict
specifics, such as what the temperature in Atlanta, GA will be on October
13, 2009, or when the next category 5 hurricane is predicted to crash into
New Orleans.

To insinuate such an argument suggests a profound lack of understanding of
what these complex computer systems are attempting to do. They were designed
to predict general trends, and in that department they are getting better
and better at it. Jed has already stated the obvious better than what I
could say, so I shan't repeat the generalities.

With that said, I do get the impression that we are all on the same page
when it comes to the fact that evidence shows the planet is warming up.
Indeed, we can quibble forever over the details in regards to WHOSE
responsible. Both proponents and skeptics should at least try to be on the
same page over the fact that had all better prepare for the consequences.

Regards,
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
www.zazzle.com/orionworks



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