Hi Jones,

This (devil's advocate's I suspect) picture you brushed might be true
for the 50,000 miles battery life you assumed, but they say 150,000
miles (~10 years) in the original article posted by Jed, which is
about the same as the several other new automotive lithium
announcements we have heard lately.

So **even** if the battery accounts for half the cost as you assumed,
which would be surprising considering its small size (16 kWh), at
~$2,000/yr it remains more economical than gasoline or diesel
--especially if, following Michael's example, your boss offers to pay
half of it!--, plus urban air becomes definitely healthier to breathe,
not to mention the zero GHG emission if they manage to produce the
electricity cleanly at the plant level.

Michel

2008/9/18 Jones Beene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Terry Blanton
>
>
>> Cost of ownership of the Volt will justify the capital investment.
>
>
> ONLY if the batteries have a rock-solid replacement guarantee, and can
> actually exceed it - allowing one to write off the investment over many
> years. Anyone know what the guarantee details will be - for full
> replacement, or the expected life?
>
> Given the history of lithium batteries in laptop computers, this is scary.
>
> You simply cannot expect the lifetime of lithiums to be any more than the
> guarantee. Sony was saying "improved" for years in laptops before it turned
> out to be same-old, same-old.
>
> Over half the cost of the Volt is probably in the batteries, and if they
> need to be replaced in 4 years at $20,000 retail -- then the yearly cost of
> ownership has gone through the roof.
>
> After all the cost of gasoline @4 gallon for the average American is only
> $2,300+ per year.
>
> That is - figuring that the average passenger vehicle in the United States
> is getting 22.4 mpg according to the Bureau of Transportation Statistics and
> the average US driver travels 13,000 miles yearly. In total, the average US
> driver uses 580 gallons of fuel each year = $2,300+ per year.
>
> If we assume that the cost of batteries is $20,000 and that a full
> replacement guarantee is only good for 50,000 miles - then the yearly
> amortized cost of the batteries alone - even if the electric power is FREE
> which it isn't of course, could end up being a lot more than the average
> cost of gasoline....
>
> Not to mention the pollution is not eliminated - it is simply moved to the
> grid plant.
>
> A small diesel combined with a few SLA batteries seems to make more sense
> for both the consumer and the environment in the long run.
>
> The diesel will actually get better net efficiency - than going from
> grid-->home-->batteries-->vehicle, because of all the loses at every step --
> so there is even less net pollution than with the Volt.
>
> Jones
>
>
>
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