Robin, As I stated before, this is NOT a hot fusion reaction, obviously, so using the energy pathway, and the full value, from a known hot fusion reaction is simply not called for. In fact it can be most misleading, and it is most misleading here.
The same would be true for those LENR reactions (not all) where the transmutation products indicate far more energy should has been shed than was seen in actuality. Ed Storms raised this point and it should be mentioned that he has specialized in reactions where the energy balance from helium ash does resemble hot fusion, even if the timing and other indicia are different, but there are many kinds of LENR where this is not the case involving different kinds of ash and transmutation. The above statement is true, even if Horace has a better model for this Mizuno reaction - and you can make your own determination of that. In the future it might be expedient to borrow some of his logic in any iimproved model - but for now, from my POV the ZPE/Casimir extradimensional pathway is the one which I find more explicative of what is going on and this mostly relates to the fluorescense, and a few other details. >From a logical standpoint: if the starting point was carbon 12 and the ending >point is 13C there is a large mass difference in the two, which without >knowing more, indicates a massive endothermic change ... NOT an exotherm at >all. So at best Ed is completely mistaken in looking for an explanation of >large exotherm. Most of any exotherm, had it been coming hot fusion, we can suppose comes from a proton plus whatever happens to it beforehand (i.e. a proton plus what has transpired to convert it into a 'transmuton') ... This is the critical logic! The neutron cross-section for 12 C is almost non-existent so DEFINITELY there is no real neutron involved, in any way. What I am labeling as a "transmuton" is capable of doing what a neutron cannot do, and it may resemble Horace's deflated species or not. ERGO = there is a certain amount of mass, when we consider the 12C + H and the 13C as separate entities - which may seem to have disappeared in 3-space, BUT ... this does not in any way indicate that the mass-energy should be in the reaction itself if we are basing everything - as I was - on a ZPE transformative process. This reaction happens at the interface of 3-space and 4-space where everything is waves, the particle duality has ceased to exist, linear time is not relevant, and energy can be borrowed in advance. In the end, the net energy balance in no way resembles the expected reaction for hot fusion... don't know how many ways I need to say it, but this is not hot fusion anymore than most LENR. Since low energy reactions do not resemble hot fusion in some way: the ways that they differ can vary also, and may include the "phonon cascade" or other differences in energy release. You simply cannot say "my LENR reaction differs only in the way the energy is released, therfore yours must differ in the same way." There is no logic there. How can anyone, especially those that haunt this particular forum, where the emphasis is on LENR or many types which are seen in the literature - possibly expect this unique Mizuno reaction to resemble prior hot fusion in any specific way? ... or for that matter, their own version of cold fusion? Hey, that is why we give this niche its own general name - LENR! and it is not limited to D+D-->He anymore than hot fusion is limited to a specific reaction ! Hope that helps ... Jones ----- Original Message ---- > The energy required to make > 1 neutron is 0.782 MeV. The energy output from adding that neutron to C12 and > getting C13 is 4.95 MeV. That still leaves 4.16 MeV. > > In short only 16% of the energy is needed to make the neutron.
