On Dec 9, 2008, at 3:31 PM, Jed Rothwell wrote:

Edmund Storms wrote:

Apparently all spontaneous nuclear reactions are exothermic. This is required because a nuclear process cannot obtain the required large amount of energy from the local environment fast enough.

Well, my understanding is extremely limited, but I gather that nuclear processes occur so quickly and they are so energetic that according to conventional theory there is no way to transfer energy to a lattice, so cold fusion is ruled out. Yet cold fusion does occur, and it appears to be nuclear, with energy transferred as heat. So perhaps by one of these mechanisms such as Chubbs' the energy can "slow down" enough to break apart elements lighter than iron, which takes more energy than it produces.

The process of moving the energy from the site of the nuclear reaction is normally done by easily detected radiation. In the case of cold fusion, this radiation signature is different from the expected radiation and not easy to detect because most does not leave the apparatus. However, as people look more closely using the right detectors, the expected radiation is seen. The transmutation reactions all are exothermic and do not result in the nucleus being broken down. Transmutation results from d or p entering the nucleus, which generates energy.


This would produce other anomalous elements in the cell. I do not know whether they have been found, or even looked for.

By the way, Mizuno confirmed that my English summary of his comments, posted here yesterday, is accurate. He confirms that he was referring to transient events during mass spectroscopy. As I said, he thinks there is no way to break down an organic molecule to get CH. I wouldn't know about it, but I did confirm that is what he meant.

The CH exists only as a positive ion, which is clearly seen in a MS spectrum.


I asked Mizuno for more information about the mass spectroscopy, including who did it and what that person thinks. In plain English, I asked him whether the fellow who operates the mass spec gadget agrees you can't make CH in his gadget by whacking creosote. (Plain Japanese, actually.)


In contrast, a chemical reaction is much slower and is satisfied with energy that
can be stolen from a few surrounding atoms.

My point is that something appears to be slowing down nuclear reactions in metal lattices. Or spreading them out over a large area, the Chubbs would say.

I don't think the Chubbs claim that the duration of the reaction is slowed, only that it dumps its energy as small packets into the lattice. The reaction has already occurred and is only trying to get rid of the extra energy. In addition, not every one agrees with this mechanism. As the existence of radiation is confirmed, this mechanism looks less likely.


Of course the heat is also breaking chemical bonds -- cooking the creosote -- which does reduce the heat release slightly, but not enough to explain the apparent excess of nuclear products.

The speed of the nuclear process is well known and is very much faster than chemical or physical processes. Consequently, energy from chemical sources simply can't keep up with the process.


The experiment does cook the creosote, which may be one of the reasons the university wants to throw Mizuno out this month rather than April. When he and I were in the New York subway not long ago, we went up a stairway past an area where the weather comes in from the street, which was heavily coated in creosote. He said, "this place smells like my lab after a run."

(Naturally, this does not prove it is anomalous heat: the electric heater supplies more than enough heat to volatilize the stuff.)

Too true.
Ed


- Jed


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