You have some quite unbalanced points in there but I don't have the will or time to argue.
What I can say is that the contamination issues you mention have much misinfo around them. On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 2:54 PM, leaking pen <[email protected]> wrote: > Copper sulfate and other copper salts are pretty much the ONLY > fungicides used by organic farming. The sprays used today by > conventional farming are NOT the poisonous , groundwater polluting, > wildlife killing soups they were 20 years ago. We figured out that > certain things were bad, and then stopped using them. But organic > farming gets a lot of breaks on proving things are safe. > > what these bills ACTUALLY do is create accountability, require that > what methods a farm use are collected, and that data given to the > government, and that things are properly labeled. It gives the > government branch that is created the right to say, this process is > NOT safe, here is the science saying it is not safe, STOP IT. And it > allows better tracking of where food comes from. So that when things > DO go wrong, like say, the tomato listeria issue, or the tomato e coli > issue, or the spinach and lettuce e coli issue, or the peanut butter > salmonella issue, from the past couple years (ALL of which were, shock > and surprise , ORGANIC foods with bacteria issues). > > Ohh, and it will make it easier to prevent things like when the > genetically modified corn that wasn't approved for human consumption > ended up in taco bell taco shells. Of course, that corn was modified > to naturally produce more BT, that people screamed about becuase it > can cause issues such as breakdowns and stoppages in the human gut. > And which is the same chemical that is the main organic farm spray > used as a pesticide. Interesting. Thankfully, it breaks down quickly > in direct sunlight, or with cooking, or with a few seconds of uv > radiation. So the corn that made it into the shells, since it had > been irradiated then cooked, was harmless. > > But... whoops. If used on lettuce, it can get down into the nooks and > crannys between leaves, survive the sunlight in that matter, and since > any uv irradiation at all means you cant market it as organic, it > doesn't get irradiated. Hope you wash your lettuce REALLY REALLY > WELL! > > (For note, my specialty is biochemistry, I am VERY concerned about the > goings on of such places as Monsanto (spits on the ground) and grow a > lot of my own food as a backyard gardener. But unfortunately, a lot of > really UNSAFE practices got okayed for the organic label, and lot of > neccesary safe practices screamed down by people who didn't understand > the science of it, and at this point, the organic label on food COULD > be good, but is often not. ) > > On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 5:21 PM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > > Um, I don't know for sure but I don't think that the certified organic > > produce used the sprays you are talking about, certainly I know that it > has > > a far lower level of toxicity in the produce and beter levels of > vitamins, > > phytonutrients and minerals. > > > > If certified organic in the US is so poorly regulated to include such > sprays > > then that's another issues, not the case here. (NZ) > > > > On Mon, Mar 9, 2009 at 12:39 PM, leaking pen <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > >> This is becuase the "organic" old school sprays that most organic > >> farms use are actually MORE toxic. Most modern bug and fungus sprays > >> are designed to break down quickly and NOT poison groundwater. Where > >> as the old "organics".... One of the common fungicides is copper > >> acetate or sulfate. Which breaks down, and causes copper poisoning of > >> the soil. Organic right now is actually WORSE for the environment. > >> > >> On Sun, Mar 8, 2009 at 4:23 PM, John Berry <[email protected]> wrote: > >> > Organic and Small Farmers and Ranchers; Natural Food Products Farmers > >> > Under > >> > Attack... > >> > The Obama administration is pushing farm controls through Congress as > >> > fast > >> > as possible and has coordinated the bills so there will be no debate > and > >> > the > >> > committee meetings > >> > > >> > < > http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-and-the-Schoolmar-by-Linn-Cohen-C > >> > ole-090214-935.html> are closed. There are less than two weeks to stop > >> > the > >> > farming bills, H.R. 875 and S. 425. could put organic farms out of > >> > business. The group Democracy in action writes that the new "food > >> > safety" > >> > bills before in Congress were written and sponsored by big agri > >> > companies > >> > like Monsanto, Cargill, Tysons, and ADM. The USDA would be given the > >> > power > >> > to force organic farmers what to feed their animals, how to medically > >> > "treat" them and what toxic "sprays" to use. There would be penalties > >> > beyond the ability of most small farmers to pay. There are buried > >> > regulations in the bills which criminalize all aspects of farming by > >> > listing > >> > them as "sources of seed contamination". Farmers would be forced to > use > >> > only approved seeds. They could be forced to give up a good seed > cleaner > >> > and put in a building and equipment for a million and half dollars. > >> > These > >> > bills are set to industrialize all farms and force farmers to buy > >> > chemicals > >> > and drugs and face $500,000 penalties if they refuse. More > >> > > >> > < > http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2 > >> > > >> > > http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=26 > >> > 714 > >> > > >> > < > http://salsa.democracyinaction.org/o/568/t/1128/campaign.jsp?campaign_KEY=2 > >> > 6714&t> &t > >> > Farmers Under Attack... > >> > This urgent message is from our correspondent, Linn Cohen-Cole on > >> > February > >> > 17, 2009: > >> > We have less than two weeks to stop the take over the farms and > ranches. > >> > H.R. 875 and S. 425 > >> > We need to rally people immediately. > >> > The new administration is pushing new farm controls through Congress > as > >> > fast > >> > as possible and have coordinated the bills so there will be no debate > >> > and > >> > the committee meetings are closed. > >> > Transparency, change, undoing Bush's regulations, giving the public > time > >> > to > >> > comment, grassroots anything? Our entire food system and thus our > health > >> > is > >> > being decided without the public knowing and those who do know have > zero > >> > access and the media is absent and they are moving at warp speed to > sew > >> > this > >> > up. > >> > Would you put these out, in this order, showing the article as you do > so > >> > people are more likely to read it? They are imperfect but the closest > >> > I've > >> > come to explaining how the game is going to be played. No direct, > >> > frontal > >> > assault on organic farming but an insidious process of "infecting" > >> > organic > >> > farming... > >> > Example: imagine Joel Salatin's wonderful organic farm under the > >> > direction > >> > of the USDA, with detailed instructions on what he must feed and when, > >> > how > >> > he must medically "treat" his animals and with what, what he must > >> > "spray" > >> > and when, ... you get the picture. These bills will industrialize all > >> > farms > >> > and insure the farmers are forced to buy chemicals and drugs. Organic > is > >> > dead. As well as human control over the food supply. As well as > health. > >> > Schoolmarm approach to punishing farmers out of farming. > >> > > >> > > http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-and-the-Schoolmar-by-Linn-Cohen-Co > >> > le-090214-935.html > >> > Bills being rushed through Congress, set to destroy organic farming. > >> > > >> > < > http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-bills-being-rushe-by-Linn-Cohen-C > >> > > >> > > http://www.opednews.com/articles/Monsanto-bills-being-rushe-by-Linn-Cohen-Co > >> > le-090217-758.html > >> > Linn Cohen-Cole is a dedicated researcher and "Paul Revere" of health > >> > freedom. At her urging, we've set up an Action Item for you to send an > >> > unmistakable message to your representatives in the Senate and the > >> > House. 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