Rick Monteverde wrote: > > Two seemingly similar but completely different situations. In LENR there is > good evidence of heat and nuclear processes evolving from singular > experiments where the parameters are well known and easily contained. On the > other hand, there is no evidence whatsoever that humans have the ability in > either measurement or computation to correctly take into account the > dynamics of the vast paramater set of an ENTIRE PLANET (geez, how obvious > can this be anyway???). For all we know, AGW has tipped already (as is > claimed by alarmists). Or maybe not. Our maybe are activities have in fact > been partly responsible for the cooling, etc. We can't properly evaluate the > anthropogenic contribution to potential climate change at this time, and > those who claim they can are either deluded or frauds.
Perhaps you overlooked this line in Thomas's message: > The inconvenient truth is that the Earth has been cooling off since 1998. Thomas is not simply denying AGW -- he's denying GW, period. He's claiming that, despite the melting permafrost, retreating glaciers, and agreement by all significant organizations and mainstream scientists studying the issue, that the Earth is not only not warming up, it's *cooling off*. If I understand your earlier posts, Rick, you're of the opinion that things have gotten hotter but the science simply isn't in place to let us be sure why that's happening. In fact, IIRC, in Thomas's earlier posts he occasionally claimed the same thing, and also claimed that lots of other bodies in the solar system are warming up too, which indicates it's a solar effect, not a local anthropogenic effect. That's a plausible position, whether or not I happen to agree with it. In his present post, on the other hand, Thomas seems to be saying there is a vast conspiracy involving NASA, the U.N., global weather researchers, Horace Heffner (who claims to have observed the warming first hand), Stephen Harper (who also says things are getting hotter), and just about everybody else except my maiden aunt Bessie, and the conspiracy's goal is to delude everybody that things are getting hotter, when really, at least in Thomas's world, they're getting colder. As to the question of whether things have gotten hotter or colder since 1998, it's hard for an amateur to say for sure, but there sure seems to be a lot of very *suggestive* evidence floating around. See, for example, Decade of 1998-2007 the warmest on record: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/12/071213101419.htm 2005 tied for hottest year ever: http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/environment/2005_warmest.html 2007 tied for the second hottest year ever: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2008/01/080116114150.htm Now if these stories are all a fabric of lies, please try to count up how many people must be involved in the conspiracy to make this fabric hold together. "Two people can keep a secret ... if one of them is dead" We're talking more like 20,000 people in the conspiracy, though, not just two.
