Energetics Technology has nice illustration on theri website. It dramatizes improvements in loading suuposedly promoted by the complex time variation of the applied voltage which will, in principle, stress the cathode, indeed stress the entire system. Severl investigatorts have reported improved cell performance using the energetics "Super Wave". The Energetics animation suggets enhanced bulk loading of the cathode, which was the early operating model. Current thinking emphasizes surface effects, which may also be enhanced by the Super Wave.

The model for generating the Super Wave is derived, I think, from fractal concepts in that the time-amplitude pattern travels through many values wth high concentration, as opposed to simple noise. A Fourier tranfsform of the waveform will reveal many harmonics, which may excite resonances -- however similar broadband noise may not have the same time-domain stressing features.

Experiments have indicated vlue in highly fractured sourfaces, as in the Arata and Case cells.

A conjectlure about all this is that we are searching for the Active Conditions thorugh the spatial domain and the time domain with these two processes. The fractured, nanoparticle surfaces increase the probability that Active Sites may be present, and the Super Wave increases the probability that Active Condtions will be found. Unfortunately neither process helps in defining the actual Active Environment.

The 'ghost' of Staney Meyer' haunts our efforts. By many accounts, he found a highly energy-efficient method of eletrolyzing water to generate hydrogen for his go-cart, with the hydrolyzer running off the the generator. In this list of conjectures, we should include the work of Mitchell Swartz, who has been doing LENR with with pure H2O and D2O, with no eletrolyte but high applied voltages.

And we also should not overlook the phenomena discovered by Randell Mills, which includes highly anomalous energy release by lthe transition of H atoms to a lower state. The processes Mills uses point to a unexplored realm of physics, as do the phenomena of LENR.

Nature is trying to tell us something but our ideas are too fixated on tradition to hear.

Mike Carrell


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In reply to [email protected]'s message of Sun, 15 Mar 2009 17:04:07 +1100:
Hi,

Oops, that should have been: 1615 eV / water molecule (divided where I should
have multiplied :]

The theoretical maximum is then also 545 times (assuming one can get every D to
react).

Consider the following:

1) Iron absorbs Hydrogen, and thus so does steel (or at least some steels?)
2) The voltage regimen applied by Stanley Meyer somewhat resembled a superwave,
and may have had the same effect (see his patents).
3) Though D-D was not likely the source of power in Meyer's device (D
concentration too low in ordinary water), the H-D reaction might have been, if the energy was released in some form other than gamma rays (and even if it was released as gamma rays, this might still work, through absorption of the gammas by the water. Note that his initial experiments with large containers of water
appeared to be more successful than his later attempts to use injectors.)

The H-D reaction on average yields about 400 eV / water molecule, which is still
hundreds of times what is needed for electrolysis.

If Energetics Technologies LLC are getting about 25 times more energy out over energy in for the D-D reaction, then the H-D reaction should get about 5.49/23.8
x 25 = 5.7 times energy out over energy in, if the efficiencies of the two
processes were comparable. I seem to remember Meyer claiming about 10 times (the
theoretical maximum is about 135 times).
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html
Regards,

Robin van Spaandonk

http://rvanspaa.freehostia.com/Project.html


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