nor did i ever state that double co2 would do it.  i suggested simply
turning up the co2 to higher and higher concentrations, you know, just
until you stopped breathing!

On Thu, Jun 4, 2009 at 1:57 PM, Jeff Fink <rev...@ptd.net> wrote:
> A clarification:
>
> I was responding to Leaking pen, when he challenged me to survive in a room
> full of CO2 as proof that CO2 is not pollutant.  To that I responded that
> even at twice ambient atmospheric levels of CO2, I would not even notice.
> In a subsequent post I backed up my response with some data.
>
> I did not say, nor intend to speculate what effects double CO2 levels would
> have on climate.  But, since Jed interpreted my response to Leaking Pen as a
> comment on CO2 levels verses global warming, I will go on record with the
> following statement:
>
> I suspect that doubling atmospheric CO2 levels would have some measurable
> effect on climate.
>
> Jeff
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jed Rothwell [mailto:jedrothw...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2009 4:21 PM
> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com; vortex-l@eskimo.com
> Subject: RE: [Vo]:first day in carbon capture
>
> Rick Monteverde wrote:
>
>>The assertion made by
>> > Fink -- that high
>> > CO2 levels do not affect human respiration therefore the
>> > global warming hypothesis must be wrong -- is not supported
>> > by data or theory. . . .
>>
>>[Fink] may be incorrect, but it is not nonsense. It is supported by some
>>data and some theory.
>
> Okay, what data and theory? Where is it published? What are you
> talking about? I have never heard of anything like that, and Fink did
> not supply the names of papers or references.
>
>
>>The assertion made by [Rothwell] -- that [Fink's claim
>>is wrong and therefore the global warming hypothesis must be right] -- is
>>not supported by data or theory. It is a straw man logical fallacy; he is
>>refuting an argument that no one makes.
>
> My assertion was not a straw man. Fink clearly made the argument that
> there is no danger from global warming as long as CO2 levels do not
> affect human respiration. (To put it another way, he claimed that the
> basis of the global warming hypothesis is rooted in measurements or
> assertions about CO2 affecting human respiration.) That is
> unprecedented and without any scientific basis as far as I know. If
> you know of some foundation for this, Rick, please enlighten us. Or
> if you claim that is not Fink's argument, then what was it?
>
> - Jed
>
>
>
>

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