Its not ABOUT the recent mudslinging issues. that was the straw that broke the camel's back, but once it was broken, it was broken. How is, There is a ban on ALL politics and religious dicussions, difficult to understand? Not, no flamewars, not, be grown ups or else, a complete and total, This is why we can't have nice things, BAN. 100%
The only room for complaint, in my mind, is if Bill missed someone, bringing who he MISSED to his attention. Its a temporary ban. a time out, Bill's way of telling you to slooooow down. They will be added back on in a few days. Its a wrist slapping, nothing more. so lets not blow it out of proportion, please. And i for one was getting sick of all the political discusion, including messages such as the one that got him his ban, long before grok. On Fri, Jun 12, 2009 at 9:38 AM, OrionWorks<[email protected]> wrote: > From Alexander: > > From Jed: >>> I must say, I disagree with the sentiments expressed. >>> I can think of lots of more compelling arguments for >>> alternative energy, such as the fact that it would save >>> tens of thousands of lives every week and prevent global >>> warming. Marginalizing some anti-western groups in >>> Arab countries would also be a benefit, but small in >>> comparison. > >>> In any case, I hope the Middle Eastern oil-producing nations >>> are not marginalized, or turned into a cultural backwater. >>> That does seem likely, but I hope instead that they benefit >>> as much from cold fusion as much as anyone else, and also >>> from a renaissance in science. Naturally, I hope the end >>> of petro-dollars will reducing funding for terrorism! But >>> I do not blame Middle Eastern nations because they >>> happen to be sitting on a lot of oil and we have made them >>> extremely wealthy. I think that was a misguided thing to >>> do but it was our fault, not theirs. > >> how is this not politics, no matter how well intentioned? > > I realize your comments were directed to Ed Storms. Nevertheless, I > feel compelled to add my two cents: > > Indeed, Jed's comment -IS- political in nature. > > So what? > > IMHO, I personally do not feel that Jed should have been singled out > for a temporary time-out for infractions many of us (myself included) > were responsible for instigating. Jed scrupulously avoided > participating in any of the ideological mud-slinging that ultimately > caused Mr. Beaty to instigate a temporary ban. > > Jed's recent political Middle East commentary has, IMO, nothing to do > with the spate of ideological mud slinging within this discussion > group. Therefore, Jed's commentary shouldn't be linked, nor should his > recent post be singled out as punishment for something he was not > responsible for causing. Jed shouldn't be punished for our sins. > > Jed has also been a Vortex-l member far longer than I. In my own view > there is a certain level of seniority that should give one additional > privileges of getting away with a certain degree of infractions, > especially if such "infractions" are performed wisely. Some, > especially newcomers, might think it is unfair of me to suggest or > encourage such an unleveled playing field be allowed to play out > within Vortex-l. If so, I don't care. Life is full of arbitrary rules. > Live with it. > > I suspect most of us realize that it was the "grok" persona that was > the source of the recent problems that ultimately caused Mr. Beaty to > enforce the recent ban. Jed had nothing to do with this. If the "grok" > persona had not decided make Vortex-l another pigsty for him to wallow > in does anyone seriously believe that any of the recent time-outs > would have been necessary? Jed understands posting etiquette. Jed > should not be penalized for following net etiquette. The "grok" > persona, however, was clueless. He clearly got what he deserved. > > Make no mistake about it. I fully realize that in the end, Mr. Beaty > is god. It's up to Mr. Beaty to decide what goes and what stays within > Vortex-l. He can make any decision he wants when it comes to enforcing > the rules, evenly or arbitrarily. > > Regards > Steven Vincent Johnson > www.OrionWorks.com > www.zazzle.com/orionworks > >
