Regarding two posts made by Mr. Hollilns: > Has no one learned? This entire conversation should be in B.
and > If its actual politics that has to do with the technology and > development of the science, thats one thing. > > The moment it extrapolates to world politics, ect, thats taking it a bit far. > > And Jed's response is pretty much, well, I'm taking my ball and going home. > > Sorry if i have no respect for that reaction. >From what I can tell that definitely is not Jed's attitude. Jed appears to have stated that he will not participate in places where he believes he is not wanted. That's a far cry form claiming he is taking his ball and going home. How convenient for you to suddenly acquire "no respect" for Jed. I have little respect for those who appear to imply what others have stated when that is not what they have said. As for me and my own actions, I felt it was appropriate that I apologize to Kyle in this news groups after I made an impulsive remark within vortex-l. Call it Karmic payback. I don't necessarily agree with certain opnions Kyle has expressed, but at least I understand better where he is coming from. Such disagreements is also another issue altogether, and perhaps for another time. Regarding discussion claiming that Vortex-l should be used exclusively for scientific discussion might I bring to everyone's attention the what Mr. Beaty has had to say on the subject out at the Vortex-l Discussion Group archives: http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html ------------------- The Vortex-L list was originally created for discussions of professional research into fluid vortex/cavitation devices which exhibit anomalous energy effects (ie: the inventions of Schaeffer, Huffman, Griggs, and Potapov among others.) Currently it has evolved into a discussion on "taboo" physics reports and research. SKEPTICS BEWARE, the topics wander from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess energy in Free Energy devices, gravity generation and detection, reports of theoretically impossible phenomena, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims. Before you subscribe, please see the rules below. This is a public, lightly- moderated smartlist list. There is no charge, but donations towards expenses are recommended. -------------------- and this also: --------------------- 2. NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision, scoffing, and ad-hominem is banned. "Pathological Skepticism" is banned (see the link.) The tone here should be one of legitimate disagreement and respectful debate. Vortex-L is a big nasty nest of 'true believers' (hopefully having some tendency to avoid self-deception,) and skeptics may as well leave in disgust. But if your mind is open and you wish to test "crazy" claims rather than ridiculing them or explaining them away, hop on board! ----------------------- Unless Mr. Beaty sees fit to change the rules, which is within his power to do, I believe many vortex-l participants have more-or-less remained within the rules concerning "...topics wander[ing] from Cold Fusion, to reports of excess energy in Free Energy devices, gravity generation and detection, reports of theoretically impossible phenomena, and all sorts of supposedly crackpot claims." Of course, Mr. Beaty does not appear to say anything specifically about the handling of topics concerning Religion or Politics, so it's understandable that there is heavy disagreement on this issue, and that a temporary ban has been set in place. Another reason I am still reluctant to move some of my own [OT] discussions to VoB is that many participants, particularly individuals whom I would like to have discussions with, such as Jed, Ed Storms, Mike Carrell and others, appear to have unsubscribed from VoB. I suspect their reasons for having unsubscribed was likely similar to mine, being tired of having to dodge the posts of the "grok" persona. In the end I may be forced to resubscribe to [VoB] should Mr. Beaty continue to make clarifications on these matters. If so, I will likely endeavor my best to filter out "grok's" postings because life is too short, and I don't want to get caught up in useless discussions with individuals who perceive others (including me) as nothing more than windmills to slay. I know from past experience that attempting to filter out individuals I don't care to encounter is not a very good solution within a public listgroup. Regards Steven Vincent Johnson www.OrionWorks.com www.zazzle.com/orionworks
