On Aug 2, 2009, at 8:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson wrote:
From Mr. Storms
Steven, it really helps not to have a ready made explanation, such as
you have, when evaluating the UFO events. Such expected notions cause
a person to reject data, perhaps subconsciously. For example, you
would like the phenomenon to involve some kind multi-dimensional
reality. You then ignore all physical evidence showing that the
events are happening in our dimension exactly like any event that we
experience in normal life. For example, objects have been implanted
during an abduction that were later removed by a doctor. These
objects
are real. Changes have have been found in the retina of the eye
when a
person has been near one of the crafts during landing. Apparently the
intense microwave radiation causes permanent damage. In fact, this is
one way the UFO investigators can tell if a person is telling the
truth. Women have been found to be pregnant, as verified by a
doctor,
and then are not pregnant for no apparent reason after an abduction.
Like most of the reported observations, these can be ignored in an
effort to avoid believing the events are real. Actually, it does not
matter what an individual believes about this subject because the
events will take place regardless of what we believe. We have no
control. Perhaps, it is best to ignore the whole subject and go
about
life without the resulting anxiety.
As for David Jacobs, if you read his books you will learn that many
people remember the abductions in great detail without need for
hypnosis. Their memories are very similar to the retrieved memories.
In fact, Jacobs is very aware of the problems associated with
hypnosis
and takes great pains to avoid them. Raising such issues is like the
skeptics who question the reality of CF using problems that every
person in the field understands better than the skeptic and takes
great pains to avoid.
Shoot, Ed. I'm not at all denying the possibility that a portion of
the
population may indeed be involved in classic "UFO abduction"
scenarios. I
can only tell you what I have surmised after years of looking into the
phenomenon, after talking to the experiencers I've met myself. FWIW,
I used
to believe that most of these abductions were indeed happening - in
the
literal sense. However, after many years of looking into the
process, I'm
personally no longer as convinced as I used to be of such literal
interpretations. That doesn't make such experiences any less real.
In fact,
I'm beginning to suspect what may be happening is even more real and/
or
significant than attempts to classify such experiences/encounters as
nothing
more than classic run-of-the-mill UFO abductions conducted by
aliens. At
present, I just don't have enough information to surmise what
percentage
could indeed be classified as authentic UFO abductions, versus...
something
else.
Steven, are you suggesting the "something else" is imagination or a
mind probe by the aliens without physical contact?
While we are discussing the pros and cons of this controversial
issue, why
don't we tackle one of the most smarmy conundrums of them all - the
alleged
GENETIC component for which the classic UFO abduction scenario seems
to
partake of time after time, specifically the taking of eggs and
sperm, of
later being shown "hybrids", of later being told that the human-
parent must
extend "love" towards these sickly "hybrids".
My understanding is that the aliens were genetically designed for
space travel and are not suited to endure on this planet for any
length of time. To solve this problem, they are redesigning themselves
to be more suited to work here. This is a slow process that has been
ongoing for centuries. Unlike the science fiction stories, they do not
plan to take over, but instead to gradually improve the human DNA.
God knows, we need such an improvement. As Chris observed, we humans
cannot survive much longer without being telepathic . While this
trait is a recessive talent in humans, the aliens have mastered this
skill. Hopefully, they will gradually add this feature to our DNA.
Biologically speaking, what are the chances that totally
alien-to-planet-Earth creatures would even posses DNA? And even if
by some
miracle it turns out that they DO have such complex molecules that
such
molecules are being used for the same purpose (propagation of genetic
heritage, etc...) what are the chances that their DNA would be so
conveniently configured that it could be conceivable that we could
splice
ours with theirs.
Carbon based life has to be the most common form because only such
compounds have enough variety to allow all kinds of environments to be
tolerated. I would not expect alien DNA would match ours, but it
would be close enough to be a templet. Once an understanding of DNA
is mastered, all kinds of variations can be made, as we humans are
discovering. It just takes time to gradually create the transition.
After all, we humans evolved from something like a mole after the last
great extinction. Although this took many millions of years, a
knowledge of genetic engineering can speed up this process. Even
using our crude methods, we have made significant changes in domestic
animals and some plants, a process that is accelerating as we better
understand the genes.
Ah, but they are smart aliens, I am told. They are highly
advanced... so
advanced, as the story goes, that somehow they managed to get
themselves
into a genetic pickle, where suddenly they need OUR genetic material
in
order to fix THEIR genetic material.
I don't think this is the problem, exactly. They are designed for
space travel, which is not a "pickle". Now that they have found a
useful planet and a DNA that is compatible with this environment, they
are working to have a permanent presence here, which requires they be
genetically like us. As we attempt to travel in space, we will
discover that we are not designed for this effort and will have to do
some genetic engineering ourselves. This process has started by
selecting certain kinds of traits for the astronauts. These traits
will be gradually amplified until a class of people will evolve who
are employed for space travel, provided our other deficiencies don't
get in the way first.
Obviously, their technology is so
vastly superior to ours that such "splicing" wouldn't be a problem.
But...
but... I sez to myself: If it is presumed they are so capable of
performing
such miraculous technologically precise DNA splicing feats wouldn't
they
have already figured out how to manufacture the equivalent of all our
wholesome genes for which their species would need WITHOUT having to
physically mine ours for all of our indigenous genetic fiddlybits?
In a
sense, this conjecture is similar to what Jed has harped about more
than
once concerning whether we would even need to continue to extract
oil from
out of the ground once CF gets a good footing. According to Jed, if CF
becomes cheap and prevalent, we'll make it ourselves out of the base
materials.
I don't see any conflict here. The genetic structure is so complex,
that starting from scratch would be very difficult and inefficient.
What would be the point when perfectly good gene components are
already here and working just fine?
I feel it is in my right to suggest the possibility that you, too,
Ed, and
others like Mr. Jacobs, etc..., may be just a guilty as I of placing
their
own personal set of filters on the analysis of this complex conundrum.
Of course, we all do this, but some people do it more than others.
For me, when I personally ponder this smarmy genetic scenario, my
personal
"filters" seem to concoct two potential scenarios:
Scenario 1) Maybe this all hints of the possibility that such
"aliens" are
not so "alien" after all. I'm well aware of the hypothesis that
maybe we,
our planet was seeded long ago. Under such a scenario, yes indeed,
DNA might
indeed be quite prevalent. Actually, a no brainer! Actually, I DO
think it a
damned GOOD likelihood that our planet WAS seeded a long time ago.
Nevertheless, it does not strike me as adequate in explaining other
components attributed to the UFO abduction paradigm, which I attempt
to
sketch out in broad terms in scenario 2.
The seeding would have to involve very simple fragments because the
only reason we have been successful in surviving the many insults to
life is because of evolution. Our genes have been fashioned by trial
and error into a form that can survive most of the time. Even an
advanced alien could not guess what form of genetic structure would be
needed in order to meet the changing conditions on earth. Apparently,
a few human-like forms were created during the process and failed
before our latest genetic structure met the challenge, so far.
Scenario 2) Such experiences which are heavily cloaked in the guise of
genetic experimentation and extending emotional bonding with "hybrids"
suggest to me the possibility that we are witnessing a collection of
powerful archetypical symbols (a language) that have the propensity to
acquire significant meaning (emotional impact) within the context of
our
objective scientific techno-oriented society. One of the reasons I
continue
to harp at such a possibility is that such "drama", heavily laden in
emotional textures, strikes me personally, on a gut level, as a
powerful
symbolic metaphor that we need to "wake up"... in order to survive
as a
species, as sentient creatures.
This is true and it does not eliminate Scenario #1.
But I've rambled on long enuf. ;-)
I'd like to end on a positive point if I can. I have found these on-
going
conversations stimulating and challenging. I thank everyone's input,
both
the pro and con perceptions. My hypothesis is just that: a
hypothesis. A
good hypothesis must stand the rigors of the falsification process.
Regarding the ultimate fate of my hypothesis, it's my opinion that
the jury
is still out on that one!
Ya know... in a way I find it highly amusing that I find myself
seemingly at
odds with a highly respected scientist who privileges us with his
presence
in this group - a scientist who seems to be arguing for the
existence of
UFOs, of aliens, and of honest to gods UFO abductions! How in the
gods name
did I seemingly find myself on the opposite side of this debate! I
mean...
ME of all people!
Life is amazing sometimes, isn't it?
Only within the Vort Collective!
PS: I should mention here that if I were to advertise the current
incarnation of my evolving hypothesis among certain sections of the
UFO
Abduction Community it is likely that some would conclude that I am a
sinister agent of the government disinformation program; whose aim
is to
assist in the suppression of the truth about UFO abductions.
No matter what view is held, someone will have the opposite view.
This being the case, we as individuals have to learn to live with what
we can accept. If this is close to reality, we will prosper. If not,
we will fail. The process has nothing to do with anyone else's
beliefs. I get the impression you understand this, Steven, in spite
of your comment.
Regards,
Ed
Damned if I do... damned if I don't. Well... they did offer me good
health
insurance. :-)
Regards
Steven Vincent Johnson
www.OrionWorks.com
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