Maybe there was a bit of an anomaly here?

This is in regards to and an addendum to the Marinoff Ball Bearing Motor experiments documented here:

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/HullMotor.pdf

At the request of vort Harry Veeder, I did a test to show how much time it takes to heat up the resistor when the motor is running vs when stopped. I added a little green LED just below the filament so you can see exactly when the current comes on, and also provided a clock to see the time. Here it is:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PWlVn-uqxig

Looks to me like about 8 seconds when the motor is running, and about 5 when stopped. This at first glance appears to be yet another indication this is an ordinary magnetic effect. The reduction in final current can be attributed to a back-emf. To some degree it might also be attributed to non-conduction time when the motor is running, but the scope traces have indicated pretty much full time current conduction in all runs since the bearings were cleaned.

However, the current sense resistor voltage drop doesn't look like what I'd expect.

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/HullRunningTrace.jpg

http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/HullStoppedTrace.jpg

The traces show: (1) motor running, takes about 5 seconds to go from 7 V to 9.6 V, but about 9 seconds to heat orange, (2) motor stopped, takes about 5 seconds to go from about 6 V to 10.8 V, and to heat orange.

The difference in peak voltage makes sense in that the running motor peaks at 1.2 V less, so the back emf must be about 1.2 V.

However, the traces don't make sense with regards to how the filament heats.

   P = I^2 R = V^2/R

The resistance R = 0.0631 ohms cold.

So, at startup the running resistor heating power Prun and stopped power Pstop are:

   Prun = (7 V)^2/(0.0631 ohms) = 777 watts

   Pstop = (6 V)^2/(0.0631 ohms) = 571 watts

The ratio is 1.36, with the running motor circuit initially producing more heating in the current sense resistor by a factor of

  Prun/Pstop = 777 W / 571 W = 1.36    !??

This is not what we would expect in that overall the resistor turns orange much faster when the motor is stopped. By the time of orange glow, at resistor voltage and current equilibrium, we don't know the resistance, but the power ratio appears (assuming identical resistance at similar temperature) to be:

  Prun/Pstop = (9.6 V)^2 / (10.8 V)^2 = 0.79

The equilibrium numbers make some sense in that 0.79 * (8 sec) = 6.3 sec, though it is off quantitatively a bit in that the orange temperature was reached in 5 seconds.

The initial power numbers made no sense to me in terms of the way the resistor acted though, and that has nothing to do with the performance of the motor. The resistor should heat according to the energy applied to it.

Finally it dawned on me. The resistor was per-heated in the second run. It started out with a higher resistance, but heated to orange faster, i.e. with less energy. I ran a quick test. Starting out cold it took 8 seconds to heat the resistor to orange. Doing it again, a few seconds later, it took only 3 seconds. The resistor apparently takes a while to cool down even after it is no longer red or orange.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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