This discussion ignores the elephant in the room. a) Heat is *fundamental* and scalar, particles and radiation are not. Because it is fundamental, many factors affect heat and careful experimental technique is essential. b) Commercial value [i.e. money] is for utility for motive power and electricity. Even the Tokomaks and ITER output will be *heat*. Until LENR devices/systems produce *heat* cheaply and reliably all else is academic busywork. Particles, in particular, are peculiar pointers to pertinate features but are not the main act.

Mike Carrell

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