On Nov 8, 2009, at 3:14 AM, Michel Jullian wrote:

2009/11/8 Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <abd @ lomax design. com>:
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Suppose the spinning of the assembly was caused by the counter- rotation of the motor shaft and what is attached to it. What would happen when the pump was turned off? The rotation would stop as the pump rotor slowed down and stopped. Conservation of angular momentum. If part of you spins one way, suspended in space you are, then part of you must spin the other way, so
that the sum of angular momenta remains constant.

A very good point Abd, counter-rotation of the device balancing the
internal rotations of the shaft assembly and of the cooling fluid in
the cooling circuit seems a perfectly good explanation for the
phenomenon.

Michel

This assertion does not appear to be true from the very limited data on which this speculation is based (one run out of many dozens). The fact the angular acceleration occurs after the power is turned off is an indication that even more torque was being generated in the power on phase than that which was indicated by the apparent angular acceleration of the exterior device.

It does not appear to me the fluid was in counter-rotation, but rather super-rotation.

That there is a latent angular acceleration of the device due to the fluid motion indicates the fluid plus pump had a higher (positive with respect to the direction of rotation) net angular velocity than the overall device. When the power is turned off, fluid friction reduces the angular velocity of the fluid relative to that of the device and in the process increases the apparent angular velocity of the overall device as viewed externally. The total angular momentum of the entire device, including fluid, after the power is turned off, is conserved, except for friction between the overall device and the earth, but the visible shell of the device accelerates. This might not even have been noticed if the bearing friction were higher.

Now, to the point. This added angular velocity imparted to the fluid during the power on phase required a *reverse* torque applied to the device by the pump motor during the initial powered on phase of operation. This reverse torque *subtracted* from the apparent torque of the thruster during that phase, i.e. the torque measured by the apparent acceleration of the exterior of the device when the power was on. It is only in the power off phase that the total kinetic energy added to the device, in the form of angular momentum, becomes apparent through the continued apparent angular acceleration of the device.

Note that many runs were made, changing the orientation of the device for various runs, and other key parameters.

From the conversation here it appears the expectation is the people doing and examining the EM thruster work are extremely stupid, on the order of people who look for free energy from magnets and fusion in a jar. 8^)

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/




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