Chris - Yes protons do become temporarily free near the anode as well -BUT -
they cannot form into molecular hydrogen there (at least not very much) due
to mutual repulsion of the positive charge. The key cation, going back the
other way is hydronium. The dynamics of this are the inverse situation to
the anion, previously described.

 

The Wiki entry is pretty good

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydronium

 

In effect the 'extra' proton of hydronium is the species that becomes free
on the cathode, to form into hydrogen gas - as described in the previous
post. Protons can form into molecular hydrogen there, since the repulsive
positive charge is neutralized by the negative electrode. 

 

OK - now onto another bit of hot air: there is adequate reason to disbelieve
if not ridicule the HybridTech claims. Steer clear of these guys.

 

All the red flags are up. They made silly fundamental errors in overvoltage.
The so-called "Dr Eaton" appears to be more of musician than serious
scientist. The video is obviously "staged" and is not believable to anyone
who has experience with this field, and the testing procedure was flawed. I
suspect the results were inflated by about 250% over actual.

 

However, there are a few Brown's Gas devices in production now which could
be overunity. At least there are a few with a proven track record. The
companies that do have workable devices wisely want to "fly under the radar"
for now. Here is one of them:

 

http://thecell.cc/

 

There was an "expo" for Brown's Gas inventors last week in Bradenton, Fla -
and this device is featured in the video from a previous expo, but you can
have a look at the internals:

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu8ACsUwGFI
<http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uu8ACsUwGFI&feature=related>
&feature=related

 

"The Cell" is of Bob Boyce design - it can be yours for $9000 US tax incl.
It is claimed to pay off its high cost - for a big-rig diesel truck, in a
year or less. It is actually a pretty well thought-out design. There are
some unscientific results on the website that are interesting, but more
needs to be done to prove it - 

 

. except the company is smart enough at this stage - to sell by word of
mouth and to NOT advertise, nor to alert the ingrained political forces that
oppose this technology. The BOO-PAC payoff to politicians (BOO= Big oil +
OPEC) is estimated to be over $100 million per year and that money buys
"protection".

 

The device above is sold only through truck dealers. Truckers are generally
small businessmen who must buy lots of fuel for long hauls -  and are not
easy to fool. If the device were not effective, and with a short payback
time - then they would not be buying them by the hundreds. The proof is in
the pudding, as they say. Once sales get to a higher level, the fur will
fly, as they say.

 

CAVEAT there are dozens (maybe near 100) of "pretenders" - hobbyists, and
scam artists like Dennis Lee who are selling dubious electrolysis devices on
the internet in mason jars, etc. Buyer beware. HybridTech looks to me like
the latest version of snake oil.

 

Jones

 

 

 

From: Chris Zell 

 


I'm a bit confused by the activity at the anode.  If you remove an O (which
becomes O2 pretty quick) aren't you left with free hydrogen in the deal? But
you don't get both gases at one electrode.  Drift velocity compared to the
speed of light is strange enough - now in these liquids we're saying it's
true for protons, too.

 

I'm trying to get a better understanding of this because there appears to be
solid replications of the Stan Meyer stuff at overunity rates by Real
Experienced Academic People.  I had given up on Meyer stuff as a hoax but
apparently not.

 

http://pesn.com/2009/11/13/9501586_HybridTech-Energy_releases_water-fuel_gen
erator_plans/

 

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