What a beautifully ironic possibility! We could quickly go from
assertions from powerful experts that CF doesn't exist, CF is
ludicrous, to assertions it is dangerous!
Yep, better stick with coal and oil, it's much safer. That's my
story and I'm sticking to it! 8^)
What a pie in the face of many true believer skeptics. Of course
they'll start soon saying they knew it was real all the time.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
On Jan 22, 2011, at 7:00 AM, Jones Beene wrote:
Jed, all
Yes, this development is important, but not exactly for the reason
specified. In fact, IMO - it makes the device far riskier in the
eyes of “authorities.” (and more subject to eventual political
interference by Oil interests).
Not to nitpick, but going from 20:1 P-out/P-in is ALWAYS self
sustaining, if *controlling the reaction via input energy is not
required*, i.e. if the “quality” of the input does not need to be
specific (i.e. RF or ultrasound, etc).
IOW – if a special kind of input energy such as resonant ultrasound
is not needed, then with a high COP – it is merely a matter of
insulating against heat loss well enough to retain what would be
the equivalent input heat, or to extract less heat than the input.
So if you believe the demo as presented, then this announcement is
a strong negative, not a positive.
The fact that they can do it without P-in indicates to me NOT that
there is any fundamental improvement or change from before – but
that a ‘runaway’ is more likely due to failure of controls. The so-
called ‘holy grail’ can easily exist in circumstance with P-in
required, and in fact that could easily be preferable. You want a
failsafe control mechanism.
Otherwise a runaway is more likely. In fact as far as the ‘grail’
metaphor goes, I think most engineers would STRONGLY prefer to
control the reaction via P-in.
Instead shutting it off such a by controlling H2 pressure - is much
trickier.
If you want to keep the Nuclear Regulatory people from shutting
down your entire operation – then the very first thing you MUST
avoid is a runaway reaction, even if the radioactive release, is
minimal.
A runaway could squelch everything from the start. It would not
surprise me at all if our NRC were not already in talks with the
equivalent agency in Italy over this very issue – and some of that
could be due to political pressure from either Oil of the multi-
billion hot fusion recipients.
Jones
This is important! Rossi is saying that on Monday, they will upload
a report by Levi et al. describing a self-sustaining run. This is
the Holy Grail of cold fusion: a self-sustaining device that
produces commercially useful levels of power.
People may have some doubts about Rossi's credibility, but I think
there is no reason to doubt Levi and the others. If they say they
saw the thing self-sustain, I for one will believe it. As I said
before, this development is not all that surprising. There is
plenty of supporting evidence from other experiments. There is no
reason to doubt that a scaled up machine can be built.
It is a little surprising that the breakthrough came with Ni-H. The
temperatures and power density with Ni-H have usually been low in
the past, as far as I know. Pd-D has achieved greater power density.
- Jed
