I know that my best early work was with Pd+Ag.  I used the old Shaffer fountain 
pin numbs
(circa late 50's)

The diffusion palladium was 23% Ag if memory serves.
Fleischmann's "boil off" cathode had Ce in it....  if memory serves.


D2


From: Jed Rothwell 
Sent: Monday, February 28, 2011 2:16 PM
To: [email protected] 
Subject: [Vo]:Fleischmann's "Type A" palladium


Terry Blanton wrote:


I agree.  However, even people who bought their Pd from the same
source as F&P (Johnson Matthey?) had less success because there was
something "special" in the way it was processed.  I think that process
has yet to be revealed?  I'm sure Jed would remember.

The process wasn't all that special, and it is not secret. When he began this 
research, Fleischmann went to Johnson Matthey (JM) and told them he wanted Pd 
that can be highly loaded without cracking. They recommended the Pd material 
they developed in the 1930s for hydrogen filters. Fleischmann later called this 
"Type A." He distributed samples to many researchers, who had much higher 
success with it than with any other type. See Table 10 here, p. 43, for example:

http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MilesManomalousea.pdf

The cathodes labeled "(F/P)" came from Fleischmann. They all worked, and they 
produced more heat than the others.

At BARC they used an actual hydrogen filter to run a cold fusion experiment. It 
worked splendidly. As I recall, someone at NASA also did this.

JM has changed the method they used to make this type of Pd. The newer type 
might not work as well. Then again, it might work. As far as I know, no one has 
the money to find out. JM offered to make up a batch for Fleischmann and me, 
with cathodes cut to specification, but their minimum order was 1 kg and I 
could not afford it.

Probably, by now Violante's group at the ENEA knows as much about how to make 
effective Pd as JM did. They may have wasted 15 years finding out, when they 
might have just asked JM to tell them. Or sell them some. During the Toyota 
cold fusion project in France, there was a strange agreement between Toyota and 
JM. JM supplied the materials and then took them back, doing all the analysis. 
They wouldn't tell Toyota what they found. No one I know has any idea what 
happened to the data. Their is bad blood between them. The way I heard it, 
Toyota wanted JM to share the information, and they offered them peanuts. (I 
believe that is how it was described to me, "peanuts,"  meaning a small amount, 
not the 1970s Japanese Lockheed scandal in which 1 peanut = $1 million).

The key calorimetric data from that project also disappeared. Fleischmann had 
quite a lot of it on paper. Someone broke into his house and took it. They did 
not take anything else, so I suppose this was no ordinary thief. He asked 
Toyota for new copies but they never responded.

He is pretty upset about the whole thing, as you can imagine.

Below is a memo about Type A Pd that I wrote in February 2000.

- Jed

- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

The Type A palladium saga 
February 7, 2000

For many years Martin Fleischman has been recommending a particular type of 
palladium made by Johnson Matthey for cold fusion experiments. He has been 
saying this to anyone who will listen, but very few people do. He handed out 
several of these ideal cathodes to experienced researchers, and as far as he 
knows in every case the samples produced excess heat. The material was 
designated "Type A" palladium by Fleischmann and Pons. It was developed decades 
ago for use in hydrogen diffusion tubes: filters that allow hydrogen to pass 
while holding back other gasses. This alloy was designed to have great 
structural integrity under high loading. It lasts for years, withstanding 
cracking and deformation that would quickly destroy other alloys and allow 
other gasses to seep through the filters. This robustness happens to be the 
quality we need for cold fusion. The main reason cold fusion is difficult to 
reproduce is because when bulk palladium loads with deuterium, it cracks, 
bends, distorts and it will not load above a certain level, usually ~60%, I 
think. Below 85 to 90% loading bulk palladium never produces excess heat. A 
sample of palladium chosen at random from most suppliers will *never* reach 
this level of loading. You could perform thousands of tests for cold fusion 
with ordinary palladium, with perfect confidence that you will never see 
measurable excess heat. That is essentially what the NHE did: they performed 
the wrong experiment hundreds of times in succession, using materials which 
everyone knows cannot work. This is like trying to make a 27-story building out 
of doughnuts.

 It seems likely to me that most of the reproducibility problems with bulk 
palladium CF would have been solved years ago if people had only listened to 
Martin Fleischman's advice. Alas, in my experience, people seldom listen to 
advice or follow directions. Fleischman sometimes compounds the problem by 
speaking in a cryptic, convoluted style and by using complex mathematical 
equations that few other people can understand. He sometimes takes a long time 
to respond to inquiries; he answered one of my questions two years after I 
asked. However, in this case he has made himself quite clear on many occasions. 
For example, he wrote QUOTE:



            . . . We note that whereas "blank experiments" are always entirely 
normal (e.g. See Figs 1-5) it is frequently impossible to find any measurement 
cycle for the Pd-D2O system which shows such normal behaviour. Of course, in 
the absence of adequate "blank experiments" such abnormalities have been 
attributed to malfunctions of the calorimetry, e.g. see (10). [Ikegami et al.] 
However, the correct functioning of "blank experiments" shows that the 
abnormalities must be due to fluctuating sources of excess enthalpy. The 
statements made in this paragraph are naturally subject to the restriction that 
a "satisfactory electrode material" be used i.e. a material intrinsically 
capable of producing excess enthalpy generation and which maintains its 
structural integrity throughout the experiment. Most of our own investigations 
have been carried out with a material which we have described as Johnson 
Matthey Material Type A. This material is prepared by melting under a blanket 
gas of cracked ammonia (or else its synthetic equivalent) the concentrations of 
five key classes of impurities being controlled. Electrodes are then produced 
by a succession of steps of square rolling, round rolling and, finally, drawing 
with appropriate annealing steps in the production cycle. [M. Fleischmann, 
Proc. ICCF-7, p. 121]



END QUOTE


Fleischman recently gave the some additional information. The ammonia 
atmosphere leaves hydrogen in the palladium which controls recrystallization. 
Unfortunately, this material is very difficult to acquire and there is 
practically none left in the world, because Johnson Matthey stopped making it 
several years ago. Palladium for diffusion tubes is now made using a different 
process in which the palladium is melted under argon. Material made with the 
newer technique might also work satisfactorily in cold fusion experiments, but 
Fleischman never had an opportunity to test it so he does not know. There 
should be plenty of the new material available, so perhaps someone should buy a 
sample and try it. Johnson Matthey has offered to make more of the older style 
Type A for use in cold fusion experiments. They will charge ~$20,000 per ingot, 
which is a reasonable price. Fortunately, the precise methodology for making 
the older material is well-documented and an expert who helped fabricate 
previous batches has offered to supervise production. So, if anyone out there 
has deep pockets and once a batch of the ideal material to perform bulk 
palladium cold fusion experiments, we can arrange it. I do not know any cold 
fusion research scientists or institutions who can afford $20,000 worth of 
material, but perhaps several people could get together and pool their 
resources.


The above description of Type A is not comprehensive. We know little about the 
material. We cannot begin to explain why it resists distortion and allows high 
loading. The experts in Johnson Matthey probably know, but they are not 
talking. When Ed Storms read this description, he immediately thought of a 
number of important questions about fabrication techniques: "What is the 
crucible made of in which it is melted? Pick-up of crucible material can not be 
avoided.  How is oxygen removed?  Is calcium boride used, which is the usual 
method?  What is the boron content?" Unfortunately, such details are trade 
secrets which Johnson Matthey will not reveal. Fleischman does not know the 
answers. Anyone who has a sample can quickly find out what elements are present 
in the alloy, in what proportions. But questions such as "How is the oxygen 
removed?" may not be as easy to ascertain.  The trade secrets are not what is 
in the metal, but how it got there and why it stays.

I asked Fleischman how confident he is that this material is effective, and how 
much batch-to-batch variability he observed. He said that since 1980 he has 
used samples from eight or nine batches. Only one batch failed to work, and was 
returned for credit.

In general, any material from Johnson Matthey works better than palladium from 
other sources. The most dramatic proof of this can be seen in M. Miles, 
"Anomalous Effects in Deuterated Systems." See especially Table 10, p. 42, 
summarizing the effectiveness of palladium from various different sources. The 
success ratio with Johnson Matthey material was 17 out of 28 (17/28) compared 
to 2/5, 0/19, and 2/35 with other sources. Only the alloys fabricated in-house 
by the NRL worked better, with a 7/8 success ratio. Miles tested two samples of 
Type A palladium supplied to him by Fleischman and Pons. Both produced excess 
heat at much higher power density than samples from other suppliers (3 - 14 
W/cm3 compared to 0.3 - 2.1 W/cm3). Fleischman reported success with pure 
palladium, as well as silver and cerium alloys. So did Miles, and he also had 
good results with boron alloys. The NRL in Washington reported no heat with 
samples from the same batches Miles tested, but their calorimeter was an order 
of magnitude less sensitive than his (with 200 mW precision compared to 20 mW), 
so even if their samples had produced the same level of heat Miles observed, 
they could not have detected it.

In their Final Report, the NHE claimed that they used "the type of palladium 
recommended by Fleischman and Pons" in a series of experiments in the final 
stage of the project, after all else had failed. This is incorrect. They did 
not have any of the Type A palladium. Perhaps they used some other Johnson 
Matthey material instead. They have refused to reveal the batch number or say 
when or where they acquired the material, but as far as Fleischman knows, there 
was no Type A material available at that time. When the NHE program began, 
Fleischman supplied them with three Type A cathodes. Two of them produced 
excess heat, and one failed because of a prosaic problem with the equipment. 
The NHE disagrees with Fleischman's conclusion. Based on their nonstandard 
method of evaluating calorimetric data, they say all three samples failed to 
produce heat. They refuse to release detailed data which would allow others to 
analyze the results using standard methods. Fleischman, McKubre and Miles have 
criticized their methodology, in which a single calibration pulse made a few 
days after the experiment begins, when low-level excess heat is probably 
already present. (See the Fleischmann quote above, and M. Miles, "Report on 
Calorimetric Studies at the NHE Laboratory in Sapporo, Japan.")

The question is: At this late date does anyone care about bulk palladium 
electrochemical cold fusion? Does anyone still want to try it? Even with the 
proper materials, this is still a very difficult experiment. Fleischman and 
McKubre agree that if techniques can be used, they should be. McKubre said, 
"the world is fascinated by electrochemistry, except electrochemists. If they 
can find another way of doing the job they will always choose the other way." 
Fleischman believes that the qualities of the palladium material are not be as 
important with electrodiffusion, which pushes deuterons through the bulk of 
material rather in through the surface. "Solid-state works better than 
interface chemistry." (Other people may not find the Italian electrodiffusion 
results as convincing as he does.) McKubre has successfully replicated the Case 
experiments using gas loading into commercial catalysts made of palladium on 
carbon. Researchers may feel that this kind of technique is more promising than 
bulk palladium, and there is no point to revisiting obsolete, 10-year-old 
experiments. We may no longer need Type A palladium. We can hardly afford it, 
anyway.

I once asked Fleischman how he learned about Type A palladium. He said: "It is 
very simple. When we began this work I went to Johnson Matthey, I told them 
what I needed, and they recommended this material." As I said, he has a baroque 
imagination and he often goes about doing things in indirect, complex ways, but 
in this case he used the direct approach.


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