Terry - The situation with E-Cat does seem a bit more hopeful than MAHG on the demonstration end, since Naudin made those silly measurement errors (still not fully corrected on his website) but the problem is looming for Rossi since there are legitimate doubts our there. I seldom refer to MAHG as being proved overunity since that was never clear. The E-Cat may turn out to be the same, but as of now, it does seem much more hopeful. Most of that hope comes from independent confirming results of others, however - including Brian Ahern's, which was posted today on another forum. I know of two others in addition, but nothing yet on the scale of kilowatts.
It may be tough for LENR proponents to swallow, but they better start getting used to the likelihood that this Ni-H effect is NOT nuclear. Ahern is getting zero counts above background and no transmutation, but with excess heat that would ordinarily indicate something non-chemical. Neither are others seeing any radioactivity. That is a mixed blessing. The biggest problem, however, seems to be that the E-Cat units as presently being quoted by the two licensees - do NOT compare well, economically, with solar for instance. As of now the E-Cat will be sized at 2.5 kW, and thus will cost no less $5,000 each. Rossi says $2 per watt is his present goal, but it could be higher. That does NOT include installation. He quoted less initially, but this is recent (Monday) and probably represents an expected premium that early adopters may or may not be willing to pay. The only guarantees will be for 4,800 hours run-time - which is a little over six months of continuous use, and a COP of at least six to one (over electrical input). The cost to refuel is unknown but the reactor is sealed, so it will likely be a swap-out arrangement (at the consumers expense). A worst case scenario is that you may get no more than 14,000 kW-hrs of heat for your investment. At the average rate of 10 cents for the equivalent electricity that is $1,400 of heat for your up-front overhead - and don't forget the cost of electricity to run it, since you have to supply 1/6 the output as electrical input ... and when you include the installation cost, which could be high since it will need its own electrical controls, circuit breakers and a fireproof place to store hydrogen safely, the end user could really be only getting a guarantee of about a tenth of the original investment with professional installation. At least that is according to the guarantee that they are talking about. And in a year, Defkalion or Ampenergo may be history.... pumped, dumped, and belly-up. Caveat emptor. It seems to me that most consumers, or businesses, would be better off with $6000-10,000 worth of solar cells. At least you get electricity instead of heat, and they have a proved history of an extended lifetime. Jones -----Original Message----- From: Terry Blanton I felt a pang when I read: "This is the latest installment of that vision-quest - knowing full well that it could all be a tempest-in-a-teapot... but also being able to sense the thin chance of success juxtaposed to the earth-shattering ramifications.... but then again... having followed "alternative energy" since 1989 and been disappointed about twice per year, it is clear that the batting-average for such claims is not good. " There was one member of the group who went so far as to build his own replication. His pictures are still there. T
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