Why should I believe anomalous heat is being produced if I don't believe in Rossi's measurements? A good eyeball estimate would seem to be good enough in this case, i.e. its obvious. One does not need to measure the kindling point of paper to know if it has in fact been reached. The point to this is exactly that no measurements are possible. I do not choose to eliminate what we do know despite not being able to measure or being given measurements. If we had to rely on the dogmatic attitude you sugeest there would have been no advancement. Science does not eliminate the evidence of the senses it relies on them. You insist on a tautology even though soe facts are in while not providing one yourself. You haven't made your views clear and do not expect that they will be shared by others.
As for the volume of steam produced by 2g of water its a table look up. The hose diameter is an estimate which many have made. You should read the literature more often. Certainly the velocity of the Rossi hose plume is insufficient- as expected. Levi himself has claimed (assuming dry steam) that 50% is condensed in the hose. It would be nice to actually have measurement of outflow velocity but after a scathing reply from Rossi I'm not about to ask again. The case is far from "we don't know anything about this." The truth is one must reject your notion that exact measurements are needed. I don't need a measurement within 0.01% to tell me that something is not qualitatively possible. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jed Rothwell To: [email protected] Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2011 5:39 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Answering Krivit #3: eCat steam quality must be above 75% (above 4300 Watts) Joe Catania wrote: The Rossi machine, judging from what comes out of the hose is not producing any anomalous heat. You cannot judge what comes out of the hose. You have not measured it; not the speed, or the temperature, the dryness or any other parameter. You know practically nothing about it. My point is (again) if the steam flow rate is ~10 m/sec (as it must be from calculations to give stated anomalous heat) it would be able to entrain some water. Whether the flow rate has actually been measured was not relevant. Certainly there is nowhere near 10m/s flow at the end of the hose. How do you know this? Did you measure the speed of the steam? By what method? Do you know how much it slows when it strikes air after leaving the hose? Have you compared the speed to other steam producing machines with similar hoses? Or hoses with smaller orifices? As I said, this is a mere impression, but as far as I can tell, the plumes of steam from other machines that consume 2 to 4 kW look about the same as the Rossi device. The speed of the plumes, based on the distance at which the steam becomes visible, seem about the same to me. I did a very rough estimate with a ruler, comparing it to the Krivit video. Admittedly this is far from real science. It is an impression. I would not put any stock in it. But unless you have done something better, such that you can rigorously determine the speed of the steam, you don't know a thing about this. - Jed
