I agree that we can view virtual photons as expanding through our lower dimensional 3-di "Plane" I think of this expansion in terms of a photon "traveling" half a wavelength then disappearing. From any standpoint the Quantum Photon Flux is imparting momentum to matter (or else it doesn't matter anyway!) Furthermore, if we consider a photon flux from 3-space through 2-space, it is as you say, a dot appears to expand into a circle, then contract again into a dot and disappear.When a 4 or 4+ space sends photons through our 3-space, then these appearing-disappearing circles intersect every possible plane in our 3-space. I really don't see why this perpendicularity prevents these photons from exerting real forces in the many ways that have been attributed to the Quantum Flux. If you accept that there is an electromagnetic Q-Flux then you must acknowledge the possibility that it exerts radiation pressure on matter. If this is true, then my various proposals are very plausible. Incidentally, light in a medium other than space moves slow, yet imparts more momentum to a mirror that is located inside the medium; therefore, even a stationary photon may impart momentum to an adjacent surface in the direction of its propagation, since its action on matter is due to the transverse movement of the wave. Researchers have created materials that have negative (not fractional) indices of refraction, it is thought that light might exert tension on a material instead of pressure. Again, such light could only do this if its transverse field motion is what causes it momentum-effects. Again, I really think I can do this, but I really need help. Scott
From: froarty...@comcast.net To: scott...@hotmail.com CC: vortex-l@eskimo.com Subject: [Vo]:Fran & Group: Please Reconsider the following pointTime-Frame-Based Casimir Effect Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2011 20:20:14 -0400 Scott, You are knocking on precisely the door I have been trying to open but the language so easily perverts between time and space when you switch perspectives between different inertial frames. The task is further obscured by our position that an apparently “stationary” region inside a cavity can utilize suppression to generate a different [equivalent?] inertial frame based on changes in the unit time instead of changing the velocity of an object[a gravity hill]. I agree with your “pressure” analogy which can trace its origin back to Puthoff’s atomic model which is then further accumulated / segregated by virtue of Casimir geometry. Where I disagree however is that these “pressures” could have a spatial bias without use of a 3rd body to create an asymmetry – My posit is that the stream of virtual particles exist in a rolled up dimension that is 90 degrees displaced to our spatial plane and where this stream intersects with the spatial plane the virtual particles appear to grow from nothing outward into our spatial dimension at a specific xyz coordinate and then just as quickly shrink back out of our spatial dimensions in a never ending stream. Therefore the “pressure” is balanced along the time axis and it requires a 3rd body to interact with these fields in an asymmetrical manner to force the balance to redistribute between time and space. My bet is that hydrogen atoms used by Rossi or Mills are exchanging time for energy and would be much older than hydrogen that was never circulated through a cavity – We know the difference in light speed thru a Casimir region is only infinitesimally faster than C as perceived outside the cavity but this is the most rapid example of an object transitioning the region and piloted directly thru center of the cavity – think about the accumulating dilation of an object such as a gas atom residing for hours and slowly migrating into ever decreasing geometry with the possibility of fractionalized atoms achieving confinements up to 137 times smaller than a normal atom could achieve.RegardsFran On Tue, 06 Sep 2011 15:38:41 -0700 Wm. Scott Smith wroteThe Quantum Vacuum itself exerts radiation pressure all of the time on everything. As measured within the accelerated time-frame, photon collisions of a given intensity are happening at exactly the same rate as the corresponding photons that manifest outside of the cavity, as measured from that external time frame; however, when we stand outside of the cavity, we see these equally energetic collisions as happening at a faster rate, inside the cavity and we conclude that more outward directed momentum is being imparted, inside the cavity than outside the cavity.The observer inside the cavity would see the same difference in forces, except he thinks the outside world is passing through time more slowly; therefore, he concludes that his side of the cavity walls are receiving momentum at a normal rate, but that the corresponding photons are striking the external walls more slowly.In other words, both observers agree that there is more outward directed pressure inside the cavity than there is inward directed pressure acting on the exterior of the cavity.Again, the pressure is the same inside and outside the cavity in each of those time frames, but they both see the same resulting difference in pressure from their own perspective. Really, the question hinges on whether the inside surface of the wall is in a different time zone than the outside surface . I think, if our theory is true, that the surfaces inside the cavity must be inside the faster time zone since it is this very surface that is causing the time-rate shift. Otherwise, the space would still be too small for the longer waves!What is causing the Casimir Effect if what I am saying is not true?Scott