Bologna April 19, 2011
Weight hydrogen bottle (attached, opened, closed, and detached):
- before: 13653.1 grams
- after: 13652.6 grams
Total loaded: 0.5 grams
Pressure H2 Bottle: 85 bar Reduced: 25 bar

Bologna April 28, 2011
Weight hydrogen bottle (attached, opened, closed, and detached):
- before: 13653.2 grams
- after: 13652.9 grams
Total loaded: 0.3 grams
Pressure H2 Bottle: 85 bar Reduced: 12 bar

Bologna September 7, 2011
Weight hydrogen bottle (attached, opened, closed, and detached):
- before: 13613.4 grams
- after filling: 13610.7 grams
Total loaded: 2.7 grams
Pressure H2 Bottle: 60 bar Reduced: 20 bar


Can this be? The Hydrogen bottle lost 25 bar of pressure and about 42 grams of hydrogen between April and September.
Does this make sense?
How much H2 is typically inside the bottle? How ist the weight measured? Does the weight force of the hydrogen-hose go into the result?



Am 14.09.2011 11:05, schrieb Horace Heffner:

On Sep 13, 2011, at 10:55 PM, Peter Gluck wrote:

a) See the E-cat run in the self sustaining mode

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264362.ece

b) Here is Rossi' s 1 Megawatt plant: http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/energi_miljo/energi/article3264361.ece

Peter
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Dr. Peter Gluck
Cluj, Romania
http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com




The experiment report is very interesting:

http://www.nyteknik.se/incoming/article3264365.ece/BINARY/Report+E-cat+test+September+7+%28pdf%29

http://tinyurl.com/3lqn52r

Various problems with other runs fixed. A long run will be even more interesting. Situation is now complex due to no thermal equilibrium being established. Constant dynamics require *measuring* cumulative energy in vs out. Hopefully some kind of calorimetry will be done on the output, and cumulative energy in vs energy out will be measured via kWh meter and independent calorimetry on the steam/water output.

It would be nice if everyone could use the standard thermodynamics definition of "steam quality" or "vapor quality". "The quality of steam can be quantitatively described by steam quality (steam dryness), the proportion of saturated steam in a saturated water/steam mixture.[4] i.e., a steam quality of 0 indicates 100% water while a steam quality of 1 (or 100%) indicates 100% steam." See:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vapor_quality

Steam quality chi is given by:

   chi = (mass of vapor)/(mass total)

"Mass total" clearly includes liquid water, because a steam quality of 0 indicates 100% water by mass.

Best regards,

Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/





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