Horace we are discussing a technology and a device which may totally
alter the future pathway of the human race, how this technology has been
suppressed and is still being attempted to be suppressed on this forum
by those that make silly claims like "there are no working LENR devices
in any laboratory anywhere" and "there are no peer reviewed LENR papers"
despite considerable peer reviewed papers and clear statements by NASA,
SPAWAR and other researchers to the contrary. I would suggest this would
be expected to increase the volume of posts.
How are the donations made?
On 12/19/2011 9:58 AM, Horace Heffner wrote:
First, let me say we should all keep in mind at year end contributing
the suggested $10 donation for vortex-l operation.
The main purpose of this post is to bring up the issue of possibly
routing all non-technical material relating to the Rossi E-cat to
vortex-B.
The technical content of this list has been highly diluted, and the
posting rate greatly expanded. Many of the posts are now more
appropriate for tweeting than for posting on a scientific discussion
list.
The Rossi fraud-no-fraud issue is a dead horse that has been beaten to
death, worse than beaten, pulverized. The discussion has degenerated
to name calling and comparisons to antifeminism and racism.
We have to remember the reason this list was created in the first place:
http://amasci.com/weird/vmore.html
"A few years ago the sci.physics.fusion newsgroup was increasingly
becoming a battleground for the two types. Those who reasoned that
"we must study cold fusion because there is some evidence that it is
real" were constantly attacked by those who believe "we must reject
cold fusion because there is little evidence for it." And vice
versa. Particularly shameful was the amount of hostility including
sneering ridicule, emotional arguments, arrogant self-blindness, and
great use of the low, unscientific techniques outlined in ZEN AND THE
ART OF DEBUNKERY. (See http://amasci.com/weird/wclose.html)"
Rule 2 is found here:
http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/weird/wvort.html#rules
"2. NO SNEERING. Ridicule, derision, scoffing, and ad-hominem is
banned. "Pathological Skepticism" is banned (see the link.) The tone
here should be one of legitimate disagreement and respectful debate.
Vortex-L is a big nasty nest of 'true believers' (hopefully having
some
tendency to avoid self-deception,) and skeptics may as well leave in
disgust. But if your mind is open and you wish to test "crazy" claims
rather than ridiculing them or explaining them away, hop on board! "
The problem is what is reasonable to discuss on this list> It is
rather like: what is pornography? You know it when you see it.
Personally I think the following are OK, even if about Rossi, if
discussed in a respectful and scientific fashion:
1. News developments (after all this is a news list), including news
reports, new papers, announcements, etc.
2. Experiment reports
3. Theory and theory papers
4. Related history of the field
The problem is much discussion of Rossi has become repetitive, devoid
of technical content, and virulent. The problem is throwing out the
bath water and not the baby. What is needed is common sense and self
restraint. Given that is missing to a large extent at the moment, some
remedy is needed.
We are losing members and/or meaningful member participation. The
posting volume is too high to keep up, at least for me. I only read
about half of what is posted, if that. I think something should be
done. Anyone else feel the same?
Suggestions or comments are requested.
Best regards,
Horace Heffner
http://www.mtaonline.net/~hheffner/
