Steven, what's the difference between those 'viruses' and the MEMES postulated by Richard Dawkins- see "Memetics>"? Peter
On Tue, Jan 24, 2012 at 7:18 AM, Giovanni Santostasi <[email protected]>wrote: > Orion, > Hopefully my comment is not understood as trolling.... > but as polite criticism. > > It is nice to have imagination and to think about things that are > considered by main stream science as impossible. I wish more professional > scientists could do that (some do and they wait until they come close to > retirement or at least get tenure). > > What is also nice, though, is to try to see what could go wrong in a > particular imagined idea or scheme as a way of understanding better and > making more concrete what one imagines. > > It happened many times to me to think about ideas that I believed were > great to find out almost always that two things were true: > > 1) the idea had some fundamental problem with it and I could not see it > (at least at first) > > 2) the idea was actually good but somebody already thought about it > > It is simply difficult to come up with something completely amazing, right > and original at the same time. > But one can learn a lot from this thinking and it is a good way to learn > and think about science and nature that are amazing anyway. > > Well, about the buoyancy perpetual motion we have the case that it is > something unfortunately neither original (in the sense that somebody > already thought about it) or really working (even if due to relatively > subtle reasons). > Somewhere non conservative forces are going to make your device stop. This > why there is not a working model of such devices but often simulations can > be found on the net. > > Here one example of a pretty complete discussion about different kinds of > buoyancy perpetual machines and why they don't work: > > http://www.hp-gramatke.net/pmm_physics/english/page0550.htm > > > Giovanni > > > On Mon, Jan 23, 2012 at 9:01 PM, OrionWorks - Steven Vincent Johnson < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> Speaking of Regularly Scheduled Programming, here's one from Ski-Fi >> channel!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> To my surprise, the troll, Eff Wivakeef, before he was banned, posted >> something that I personally found fascinating and transformational. Well… >> let me try to explain what I mean by "transformational".**** >> >> ** ** >> >> <* * * Warning! * * *>**** >> >> ** ** >> >> This has to do with another one of those strange synchronistic woo-woo >> events that occasionally pass through my life. If you don't believe in >> synchronicity or the existence of strange Unidentified Flying Woo-Woos >> (UFW2s) you might as well skip the rest of this post. ;-)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> </* * * Warning! * * *>**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I'm referring to the Troll's attempt to both taunt and ridicule the Vort >> Collective by posting a You-Tube link to a bogus free energy device >> allegedly based on the manipulation of gravity, gradient water pressure, >> and buoyancy.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> See:**** >> >> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-89SiqG3pI0**** >> >> ** ** >> >> We see an individual, James Kwok, owner of a company called Hidro, >> explaining how his technology works with the aid of a fish tank filled with >> water and a flexible tube attached at both ends with inflatable bags. One >> bag has a weight attached to it. Kwok proceeds to give a warm & fuzzy spiel >> with birds chirping away in the background on how gravity affects water >> pressure, and how this pressure buildup in-turn affects the buoyancy of the >> two inflatable bags depending on how deep these bags are positioned within >> a reservoir of water.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Ok, so far, so good. I have a pretty decent understanding of the >> underlying physics involved pertaining to water pressure and the effects >> buoyancy. Kwok then proceeds to show how he found a way, through some >> clever engineering tricks, of manipulating the effects of buoyancy by >> filling ballast tanks with gas. This causes the ballast tanks to become >> lighter than the surrounding water where they will subsequently rise to the >> surface. Meanwhile other ballast tanks currently on the surface of the >> water will fill with water causing them to become heavier than the >> surrounding water and sink. The end-game to Kwok's fascinating demo is >> revealed in a simple animated computer graphic where he claims an endless >> free energy cycle can be harnessed by connecting these ballast tanks with >> the aid of what looks like a very long bicycle chain. The rotating chain, >> in turn powers an electric generator. Wallah! Free energy! Brought to you >> by gravity, water pressure, ballast tanks, and a bicycle chain! What could >> go wrong!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What astonished me was not whether Kwok's contraption would work. (Not >> very likely!) The mystery I was confronting was what kind of mechanisms >> might have been involved in bringing Kwok's wacky concept to my attention >> in the first place. How did this Troll's random post, a troll who didn't >> know me, a troll who was attempting to taunt members of the list group I >> participate in, end up posting something that intimately synchronized with >> something I had been privately mulling about in my head for the past week. >> During occasional idle moments, I had found myself trying to visualize how >> one might be able to set up some kind of a "free energy" cycle that could >> take advantage of gravity/pressure/buoyancy effects. Hey! I know it's a >> crazy idea! I can't help myself! Long ago I came out of the closet (at >> least to myself) and accepted the fact that I enjoy playing around with >> these wacky mental exercises. So far, I haven't gone blind from excessive >> Imagerybation. My Fool's Imagination seems harmless.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> What this visual exercise brought home to me was a realization that what >> I thought I had I created out of my own mind probably didn't originate from >> me after all. It certainly wasn't a personal creation that had originated >> from the troll's mind as he went about attempting to torment us. Nor was it >> any more a form of inspiration created from the mind of James Kwok when >> years ago he stumbled across the same imaginary "figment" and subsequently >> started diddling with it using his own engineering predilections. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> Before someone tactfully asks me whether I might have left my tinfoil hat >> at home I must state for the record that long ago I came around to a >> suspicion (a belief) that most of us are constantly being barraged by these >> kinds of external imaginative energy patterns. It's happening to us >> regardless of whether we are aware of how such influences might affect our >> thinking predilections. It is as if these energy patterns are the >> equivalent of psychic viruses that are constantly flowing through the >> either of what Carl Jung called the Collective Unconscious. Under the >> circumstances, I don't think tinfoil would have helped. ;-)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> But take heart. Long ago I suspect our species found practical ways in >> which to protect ourselves from an incessant onslaught of psychic viral >> attacks, "viruses" that might actually be a form of "Instinct" as exhibited >> by animals. Most of us automatically dismiss most of these "viruses" as >> nothing more than a random thought. This is probably a good thing because I >> would imagine that our wetware would get pretty cluttered if we didn't have >> some kind of an automated filtering system set in place. We have >> constructed our very own firewall. How we have configured our personal >> filters determines what our wetware will allow through into conscious >> awareness. A few, like Kwok get hooked on the "viral" imagery because of >> the way he had configured his personal firewall, but also because he was >> attracted to similar concepts in the first place! Guess I could say >> something similar must have happened to me as well... and apparently to the >> Troll too, in his own mean spirited way.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Once we "capture" one of these viruses, once we become consciously aware, >> and then intrigued by the imagery associated with them, we begin adding our >> own unique energy signature to the overall patterns. Eventually, however, >> we begin tire of the imaginary. We let go of it, and when we do we cease >> feeding our own unique signature of energy into that portion of the >> Collective Unconscious. We give it back to the Great Gestalt. Eventually, >> others will stumble across the same gestalt. They too, will end up adding >> their own unique signature to the Great Collective. I suspect these energy >> gestalts residing in Collective Unconscious are like constantly evolving >> creatures.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> I believe science has recently hypothesized the possibility that certain >> viruses (of the biological kind) might not necessarily be detrimental. Some >> may actually turn out to be beneficial. There certainly has been talk about >> engineering artificial viruses that would perform specific biological tasks >> such as an aid to seeking out and destroying cancer. "Viruses" from the >> Collective Unconscious strike me as behaving in a similar manner. They are >> nothing more than psychic tools. Some tools are bound to be better >> configured than others.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Some may be intrigued by the idea of a Collective Unconscious behaving >> like a vast repository where inspiration occasionally springs into our >> conscious awareness. I'm obviously not the first person to have speculated >> on such ideas. No doubt, there are many who have chosen to run about as >> naked as they can get... without any protective tinfoil shielding the >> private parts of their wetware.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Others, on the other hand, may find the idea of a Collective Unconscious, >> meddling about with their personal imagination, disquieting. It messes >> around too much with a sacred sense of our identity - our soul, if you >> will. **** >> >> ** ** >> >> In the end, it doesn't really matter whether one believes in all this >> psychic woo-woo stuff, or not. What matters is whether we are willing to >> allow ourselves to occasionally become passive, to float along the gentle >> currents of the present moment for just a tiny spell. Give ourselves an >> opportunity to RECEIVE ideas in whatever form or shape they decide to >> reveal themselves to us as. Of course, what we end up DOING with what pops >> into our head remains a personal predilection of our own doing.**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Happy garbage collection!**** >> >> ** ** >> >> …and now, back to regularly scheduled programming! ;-)**** >> >> ** ** >> >> Steven Vincent Johnson**** >> >> www.OrionWorks.com**** >> >> www.zazzle.com/orionworks **** >> > > -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
