http://nextbigfuture.com/2011/03/supercritical-carbon-dioxide-brayton.html
Take a look at the size comparison of CO2 unit verses steam. The steam turbine is a quarter page and the CO2 turbine is the size of an exclamation point at twice the capacity. First the wires are all paid for and they all are in use. The key to LENR success is to capture as much of the existing electric infrastructure as possible. Most people in the US cannot now afford to buy housing. Landlords will opt for pay as you go rent/utility payments. The upfront cost of a new DGT power system is not cost effective for the landlord. So like green power, DGT power will not be successful. Don’t drink the Green power cool aid. On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:56 PM, Robert Leguillon < [email protected]> wrote: > I believe that it was Jed that first made the comparison: > > In the past ice (simple, frozen H2O) was delivered to businesses and > homes. Centralized production, then distribution made sense due to the > technological limitations of the time. Now that nearly every home in the > developed world has its own freezer, these distribution channels are pared > down to gas-station and supermarket deliveries, for barbecue and picnic > support. > > *If Ni-H becomes sufficiently compact and reliable*, we would simply > replace a furnace or air conditioner with an all-in-one Combined Heat and > Power device. This won't occur overnight, but seems to be a logical result > of power system evolution. > > > > ------------------------------ > Date: Mon, 20 Feb 2012 16:36:15 -0500 > > Subject: Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor > From: [email protected] > To: [email protected] > > > The economy of scale says that one room sized CO2 supercritical electric > turbine is far more economical then 10 million sterling electric power > generators. > > > > If you are a standalone survivalist, have the capital and the square > footage to install your own power system, then DGT may be the product for > you. > > > > But in a high density urban environment, few will be able to fit their > stuff into their apartment or their condo let alone afford their own > electric utility package. > > > > The ideal of self-sufficiency will not prevail against the reality of > crowded urban living. > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 4:14 PM, Chemical Engineer <[email protected]>wrote: > > The grid of the future is no grid (existing grid will transistion to a > hot backup for some time) > > Distributed power systems will prevail long term since fuel and electrical > distribution/transmission costs & upkeep go towards zero $ and a > distributed system is much safer during war , solar flares, etc. > Distributed LENR systems will provide local CHP which is a big > plus.Equipment will be taxed, capitalized & depriciated. > > On Sunday, February 19, 2012, Jay Caplan wrote: > > ** > I agree, the market will decide the optimum scale and location for these > types of generating facilities for the best economy. > > The risk is that govs will intervene with tax credits and regulations to > influence how and where energy is produced - this invariably leads to > distortions and inefficiencies. Tax credits and deductions for solar panels > and electric cars being notable examples. > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Axil Axil > *To:* [email protected] > *Sent:* Sunday, February 19, 2012 7:30 PM > *Subject:* Re: [Vo]:The first real NiH reactor > > We are talking the cost effective generation of electricity here. > Let us draw proper lessens from recent history and current reality. > > If the production of electric power was more cost efficient in the > individual home, then natural gas turbines would be now found in everyone’s > basement; but there are no home centric gas/electric home generation > products on the market. The big centralized natural gas turbines operated > by large electric utilities are now and will always be the low cost > provider. > > The idea that the independence of the individual is critical in the > upcoming peak energy apocalypse according to the green renewable power > doctrinaire is false. So it is extremely important that this groundless > green concept must not be transferred to LENR electric power production. > NiH power production is a highly concentrated nuclear based form of power > production. In the same way as fission power, high COP and huge economies > of scale can be translated into ultra-low cost centralized electric power > production by statewide or even regional electric utilities. > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 19, 2012 at 7:52 PM, Jed Rothwell <[email protected]>wrote: > > Alain Sepeda <[email protected]> wrote: > > good design, but I think it is not adapted to the need. > your design save energy, but at the cost of investment. > the structure of LENR is that it is investment that cost, not fuel. > > so my vision is that classic water, moderate temperature, will will, > because it will ensure the least total cost > > LENR is really a violent paradigm change in energy management. > we were preparing for starvation, and it is bonanza. . . . > > > Yup. Well said. > > > see the nuclear reactors, working at low temperature for incresed safety > and simplicity... > LENR is even less expensive about consumption. > > > I agree. I was going to make these points. > > - Jed > > > >
