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Von: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 22:57 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012
Betreff: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
My terminology is probably inadequate at best.
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Dave,
I think at the current state of affairs we are mired in speculation.
None of the parties has a clear understanding/theory, of what is going on.
So to make sense of the situation, one has to assume, that
a) there is an effect
b) there is no valid theory
c) some tinkerers (Rossi/DGT) somehow managed to tickle the effect to COP 6 -
20 or such.
So controlling a possible runaway-effect is the result of trial-and error.
No party involved has the scientific and technical skill to elaborate a precise
theory of the process.
This resembles a bit of Galileo, who did a lot of tinkering with
glass-selection and lens-design.
Galileo only had a vague idea, how the lenses for his telescope had to be
shaped.
He found this out by consulting the best manufacturers of glass in
Venice, and developed techniques for the optimal shaping of the lenses.
How did he do that?
By looking into the sky.
This is the archetypical case, where observation and 'technology' preceded
'theory', i.e. the Ptolemiaean system.
Actually it was Fraunhofer and his likes, who found out the intricacies of
lens-design hundreds of years later.
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Von: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com>
An: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Gesendet: 22:57 Donnerstag, 1.März 2012
Betreff: Re: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
My terminology is probably inadequate at best. I was attempting to describe a
system which quickly recovers from a triggered positive feedback pulse. The
pulse is not required to eliminate all of the available fuel, but would
continue as long as the positive feedback conditions exist. The device can
begin to accumulate new fuel (hydrogen) immediately after the pulse ends until
it has reached a state that is capable of being re triggered. The reloading
that I mention happens within this recovery period.
In this scenario the nickel-hydrogen mix has a multitude of sites that are on
the verge of being capable of triggering. Perhaps several sites are
simultaneously driven and an energy spike results until they are depleted. It
may not take long before other sites come on line and then become triggered in
turn. The net effect is that additional energy pulses can be triggered rapidly.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Roarty, Francis X <francis.x.roa...@lmco.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 2:40 pm
Subject: RE: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
What exactly do we mean by “reloading”? It can’t be the same as initial loading
where hydrogen seeps into the lattice to fill or displace any vacancies or
ambient gas already present because once a stable average gradient is
established you would simply have migration where any displacements leave
behind a vacancy for other randomly moving hydrogen to fill. This sounds much
like a long ago argument I had with Jones Beene regarding the need to
“circulate” hydrogen through the nano powder [based on the Haisch Moddel
prototype], apparently circulation isn’t needed at the macro scale because we
aren’t taking any energy away from the hydrogen and it can be re-cycled
endlessly just using the random motion of heated gas through the geometry. I
can see where changing the “pressure” up and down might modify the degree that
the hydrogen is able to seep into the lattice [fractional levels?] but you
aren’t circulating new gas.. or is this what
you mean by “reloading” ?
Fran
From:David Roberson [mailto:dlrober...@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 12:39 PM
To: vortex-l@eskimo.com
Subject: EXTERNAL: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
Thanks Terry, I recall DGT saying that as well. I was actually wondering if
the reloading happens naturally as a result of the hydrogen pressure after a
triggered event takes place. In this way, they are just re triggering an event
that proceeds to completion on its own. Can hydrogen reload into
nickel quickly enough for this type of reaction to be a useful energy
source and could we determine the amount of time between the triggered events
from their scope display? Also, this process reminds me a great deal of the
video produced by Blacklight showing a run at the university test facility
where one triggered pulse of heat energy was observed.
Dave
-----Original Message-----
From: Terry Blanton <hohlr...@gmail.com>
To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com>
Sent: Thu, Mar 1, 2012 11:31 am
Subject: Re: [Vo]: DGT Triggered Reaction? Any Evidence?
On Thu, Mar 1, 2012 at 10:44 AM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote:
> Does anyone within the vortex see additional evidence in support any of the
> above concepts?
I asked PDGT specifically if they were reloading with hydrogen for the
second burst and they denied that was the case.
T
