I also suspect that the reaction is a bit more complex than a single hydrogen fusion.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: Axil Axil <janap...@gmail.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 9:44 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? There are a number of assumptions at issue in this tread that I would like to counter. I believe that a cooper pair of Protons fuses with the nickel nucleus. The reaction products of this type fusion are listed in the Kim paper http://www.physics.purdue.edu/people/faculty/yekim/BECNF-Ni-Hydrogen.pdf The cooper pair of protons speculation assumes a superconductive surface on the nano nickel powder which must be hot at 4ooC to thermalize the gamma radiation from the fusion reaction. His thermalization is done by averaging the gamma ray energy over N coherent atoms(thermal energy value = gamma energy/N). The coulomb barrier is greatly lowered by Rossi’s catalyst (aka secret sauce). Penetration of this greatly weakened or nonexistent barrier consumes no reaction energy. Cheers: Axil On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 6:27 PM, David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> wrote: I just reviewed the wikipedia article on stars. They support the idea that iron is the last element that can be fused before the process becomes endothermic. It is an interesting read and I should be kicked in the rear for not reading it before asking my question. Of course they might not be entirely accurate as is sometimes the case, but on this occasion my calculations and their article suggests otherwise. As I write this I am wondering if the wikipedia model assumes iron fusing with iron versus iron fusing with hydrogen. I guess I should pursue this a bit further to see what the implications are if both of the reactants are iron. I appreciate the inputs that have been presented and I will think about them carefully as I try to understand the issue. Dave -----Original Message----- From: David Roberson <dlrober...@aol.com> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 5:53 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? That idea crossed my mind but I still do not know where the 5.6 MeV of energy imparted upon the proton wound up. If the path were exothermic I would expect to be able to recover(or at least locate) all of the 5.6 MeV as well as some extra energy. I recall reading an article years ago that suggested that fusion energy was possible within stars until the final product was iron. The star would then collapse under the influence of gravity due to the lack of extra heat. Could this be the effect that I am calculating? It does seem to add up in the numbers. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jones Beene <jone...@pacbell.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Tue, May 22, 2012 5:22 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]: Proton Fusion Ni58 to Cu59 Endothermic? Are you discounting QM and quantum tunneling? One could say that the in tunneling - threshold energy is briefly "borrowed" and then a short time later, the "debt" is repaid – before the net gain is obvious. From: David Roberson Could you help me understand how the 5.6 MeV is recovered or released? Is there extra energy released into the copper crystal structure that equals this magnitude? I am having a difficult time trying to get back the 5.6 MeV to make the next proton energetic enough for the next reaction. Forgive me for being ignorant about this mechanism, but it truly is difficult to visualize.
