Actually, Intelligent Design and Darwinian Evolution are not mutually exclusive. There is a theory called "Theistic Evolution" that posits an Intelligent Being starting the process of Darwinian Evolution. IMO, it is a sad attempt at compromise.
Theistic Evolution would solve one major problem of Darwinian Evolution - the problem of Abiogenesis. Where and how did the first life get started. Currently Darwinian Evolutionist are having great great difficulty in explaining biogenesis. Jojo I am not a Theistic Evolutionist. ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Gluck To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:54 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) or or means simply that Darwinism and ID cannot be both true in the same time and even any intermediate or combined solution is not possible. Just from curiosity are you a Bible literalist as my friend G. including Creation and Noah's Ark. You can write directly to me< I respect your faith. Peter On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 7:24 PM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote: As I indicated before, I hesitated in posting about the fallacies of Darwinian Evolution in this forum as I find this forum extremely useful and don't want to clutter it with other subjects. There is no need to ask me to stop as I have stopped and said I will only respond to any question posted about it. Besides, the point that I wanted to make was clearly illustrated. While, I respect and admire you, I wished you had been more unbiased. If I being an adherent of Intelligent Design and beleiver were to violate the rules of civility of this forum and suggested to James to contort and perform that unmanageable sexual act, I would be roundly criticized and asked to leave, and no doubt by you. Am I not right? Where is the unbiased, moral outrage from you regarding the blatant violation of the rules of civility of this forum? Demonstrate to me that you can be level-headed and demand an apology from James and my admiration meter for you will jump. While an apology from James is not required for me to refrain from discussing this topic, the lack of moral outrage from members regarding its absence will greatly diminish my respect for members of this forum and further serve to reinforce my assessment that members here are not really as open-minded as they claim to be. Jojo BTW, what do you mean by OR/OR dispute? ----- Original Message ----- From: Peter Gluck To: [email protected] Sent: Monday, May 28, 2012 12:00 AM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) Dear Jojo, I would friendly suggest you to you to stop this discussion from the simple reason that the analogy is not valid. Hot Fusion and Cold Fusion (LENR) are both real and possible, alternative, in a way complementary solutions. Evolution and Intelligent Project are opposites,mutually exclusive- and we (you too) can find hundreds of forums to discuss this subject ad infinitum. I am reading Skeptic Magazine but my good friend G. who is a famous baptist preacher keeps me informed with ID. I think this was the first time this OR/OR dispute was mentioned on this forum. But the analogy will not help. Peter On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:31 PM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote: OH my! What is your major malfunction? Are you experiencing major cognitive dissonance? The Darwinian Evolution Religion you've pledge yourself to is not as factual as you thought it was? Did I just hit a central nerve? I thought we were discussing with civility? I guess I just pissed you off too much with facts and logic. OK. Whatever. Jojo PS. Folks, if James' response does not illutrate my point enough, nothing will. Darwinian Evolution is a religion to its adherents. When someone brings up a good point of logic, they experience major cognitive dissonance and react like this. Parks experiences this everytime someone brings up evidence for Cold Fusion. Darwinists experience this when they can not answer a valid criticism of its Darwinian religion. The parallel has been clearly illustrated. My point is proven. ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 10:30 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) OK, so you don't think you need an experiment. Go fuck yourself. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 9:11 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote: I am unsure about your point or what you are asking. What exactly is your discussion point or what exactly is your question? Of course,there are strong inference. For example, if you find the presence of Information in DNA, that is an inference for Intelligent Designer, not Darwinian Evolution based on randon chance mutations. Random processes never create Information, because information is "Order", the exact opposite of Randomness. For instance, the assembling of random letters into a coherent sentence requires the input of an Intelligent being. If your throw a bunch of Scrabble letters on the ground, the following 2 sentences have equal chance of occuring. "There is a God" "ethresi da Go" - (No, this is not a foreign language. This is a random mixture of the same letters above.) What is the difference between the 2 sentences above. Nothing as far as randon chance is concerned. Yet for an Intelligent Entity, there is a huge difference. What differentiates the 2 sentences? It is Information of course. There is information in the first sentence that conveys an idea? And Ideas are the purvue of Intelligent Beings. Now, do this with 4 letters and create a sentence 600,000 letters long; you might begin to understand the complexity and the remarkable presence of Information in our DNA. Jojo ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:42 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) No. I'm talking about the scientific technique of strong inference. In strong inference you are not simply testing a hypothesis. You are admitting multiple hypotheses in the formulation of your experiments and attempting to most economically compare them. It is legitimate, of course, to have any number of experiments to achieve this comparison. In this case, there are two hypotheses: Darwinian Evolution and Intelligent Design. On Sun, May 27, 2012 at 6:27 AM, Jojo Jaro <[email protected]> wrote: Distinguish what from what? Are you asking if there are experiments in Darwinian Evolution and experiments in Intelligent Design? ----- Original Message ----- From: James Bowery To: [email protected] Sent: Sunday, May 27, 2012 7:08 PM Subject: Re: [Vo]:Darwinian Evolution (Was Tritium in Ni-H LENR) Jojo, Where is the controlled experiment that distinguishes between the two? There are LOTS of controlled experiments demonstrating cold fusion. -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com -- Dr. Peter Gluck Cluj, Romania http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com
