On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Daniel Rocha <[email protected]> wrote: > Is that an anonymous hearsay source or do you actually have a quotable > source? >
I heard directly (i.e. not hearsay) that one group with deep pocket investors and engineers visited Rossi last fall and it was fiasco with Rossi presenting a horribly set up experiment and attempting to pull the wool over the engineers eyes. The engineers and investors were totally turned off and went away. Some components of the same group went back to visit Defkalion 2 months ago, again with deep pocket investors and engineers, trying to make a deal with Defkalion but were presented with bad evidence, bad experiments and poor understanding of how to run an experiment. The engineers and investors were desperate for a definitive experiment but Defkalion gave them essentially nothing and the investors and engineers went away with never coming back. I heard second hand (i.e. hearsay) this info on the Defkalion / engineer / investor fiasco from 2 months but it was from a very reliable source. My knowledge of the Rossi / engineer / investor fiasco from last fall was direct knowledge (i.e. not hearsay). Yet Blacklight Power gives all the details of how to reproduce their experiments plus a very convincing theory and very few on Vortex really pay attention to them. Vortex analyzes Rossi / Defkalion to death but won't focus on more promising technologies. I'm putting my money where my mouth is, I'm setting up a Blacklight Power / CIHT replication with details shown here: http://zhydrogen.com/?page_id=620 I found an investor who can pay for my equipment which will help a lot since this will cost about $8,000+ in materials. I'm taking time off from work so I can get results quickly and should have initial results in 4 months or less. Jeff On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:59 PM, Daniel Rocha <[email protected]> wrote: > Is that an anonymous hearsay source or do you actually have a quotable > source? > > > 2012/6/7 Jeff Driscoll <[email protected]> >> >> I heard of one group that went to Defkalion with rich investors and >> Defkalion either wouldn't or couldn't show a definitive test. This >> group said that Defkalion had poor experiments, poor equipment and >> dumb scientists running it. >> >> Why not look more closely at Blacklight Power? They have top notch >> scientists, great equipment and multiple detailed scientific papers. >> >> http://www.blacklightpower.com/ >> >> I'm putting together an experiment to replicate BLP's CIHT experiment, >> you can see details on my website: >> >> http://zhydrogen.com/?page_id=620 >> >> I found an investor to pay for my equipment - so I'm ramping up to >> build it. Should take me 3-4 months to get results. >> >> Jeff >> >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:04 PM, Guenter Wildgruber >> <[email protected]> wrote: >> > Jed, >> > we agree that Rossi is a complex character, akin to Karl May , which is >> > my >> > guess, which we discussed earlier, and where You and I disagree. >> > >> > Discard the money-aspect, plus add that Rossi is a true believer in his >> > own >> > design, which he keeps secret. >> > ( very similar to Karl May, who had such a vivid imagination, that he >> > had >> > difficulties to discern 'reality' from imagination.) >> > Nowadays the deja vu is eg in genetics, -- Hwang Woo-suk and his stem >> > cell >> > fraud. >> > Was he in it for the money? >> > NO. >> > >> > What we know about Rossi's devices is very little. >> > It could be as low as COP 1.1 or 1.0, as the skeptics say: a mere pooof >> > of >> > water vapor. >> > >> > If so, is it stable? >> > I doubt that. >> > >> > Lewan/Ny Teknik has been suspicously silent for some time. >> > >> > Why so? >> > >> > Guenther >> > >> > (to be sure: I believe that there is something substantial in LENR, else >> > I >> > would not waste a brain cell. all the more I am embarrassed by >> > unsubstantial >> > phony claims, which do a disservice to the task.) >> > >> > ________________________________ >> > Von: Jed Rothwell <[email protected]> >> > An: "[email protected]" <[email protected]> >> > Gesendet: 22:56 Donnerstag, 7.Juni 2012 >> > Betreff: Re: [Vo]:The Ridiculous Demand for Excessive E-Cat Proof >> > >> > Guenter Wildgruber <[email protected]> wrote: >> > >> > Rossi has no shame. >> > >> > >> > That's true. He doesn't. >> > >> > >> > >> > No money needed = no scam. >> > >> > >> > How can you scam someone without taking any money?!? >> > >> > >> > >> > I believe in LENR but not in Rossi, and feel embarrassed by his phony >> > claims. >> > >> > >> > His claims have been independently verified. They are not a bit phony. >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > -- > Daniel Rocha - RJ > [email protected] >
