Let us not throw away the CoE too fast. I suggest that an solution will one day appear that does not do this.
Dave -----Original Message----- From: MarkI-ZeroPoint <zeropo...@charter.net> To: vortex-l <vortex-l@eskimo.com> Sent: Sat, Jun 16, 2012 9:15 pm Subject: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos) 1. If a neutron can disappear into the vacuum, then: 1a. Can a neutron pop INTO this space (spontaneous formation)? . For every neutron that exits, does another enter this space (to balance hings, remember CoE!)? . If either #1 or #1a are possible, and not #2, then CoE gets tossed out the indow! Altho, for all practical purposes, CoE would still appear to be intact, BUT, if e can optimize the popping out of existence within some object, and it happens ften enough, then it would be possible to violate CoE within that object. Jones just opened a can of worms... and the feast begins! -) Mark ____________________________________________ rom: Jones Beene [mailto:jone...@pacbell.net] ent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 5:29 PM o: vortex-l@eskimo.com ubject: RE: [Vo]:Missing Neutrons (hydrinos) ----Original Message----- rom: mix...@bigpond.com > They don't need to disappear into reciprocal space. This isn't about "need" Robin - it is about explaining results. Most of the ime, of course, this kind of cooling reaction simply does not happen. Do you now of any other reports of anomalous cooling? > Hydrino molecules can quite easily disappear into ordinary space. They can imply migrate through the atomic interstices of the container wall into the tmosphere. Yes, of course ... at least if they are real - then that is probably true. But n that case there is only excess heat - not anomalous cooling. IOW, that will not explain a cooling effect, as you acknowledge, so why mention t? The Ahern results are beyond any possible chemical effect. The purpose of he posting was to present a possible rationale involving a new kind of ractional hydrogen reaction, where the assumptions are very different. Net ooling instead of heating. The common denominator seems to be simple - if neutrons can do this disappearing ct, then virtual neutrons (maximum redundancy hydrogen) can possibly do the ame. In neither case am I claiming it is anything more than a remote ossibility. When I opined that there could be some kind of "momentum effect" what I meant as that in certain circumstances the entire sequence from atomic hydrogen to irtual neutron happens as one unstoppable progression, unlike the Mills' ydrino - which is a sequential chain of reactions which occurs in up to 137 teps. After all, this thread is merely the start of a new hypothesis, at this time - ith which to explain new phenomena which previously was beyond explanation. aybe it will not survive more accurate objections, but one cannot disqualify it asily by suggesting that another unproved presumption (Mills hydrinos operating n only one way) makes it not possible ☺ simply because Mills himself may have verlooked another feature of a broader phenomena. Jones
