I am at the beginning of my study of the Papp effect so I will answer you as I verity the info that is out there.
In the Tesla Video, McKubre said that Bob Rohner took the engine completely apart in the middle of a demo and said it was totally clean of fraud. The longest that Bob Rohner saw the engine run was a week as told by McKubre. McKubre's endorsement was very strong and he virtually assured that no fraud was involved. >From a systems engineering standpoint, it is a far better energy system than the Rossi reactor because high efficiency is possible without high heat production. Cheers: Axil On Wed, Aug 8, 2012 at 6:54 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > Axil, > > In case you are familiar with the history of this, I have a few questions - > > Who invited Papp to do the test at Cal Tech? > How long did the engine continue to work after the power was removed? > If so, could it have been running on battery, or some other storage unit? > Was any evidence found in the debris that indicated fraud? > How has McKubre tested the engine? > > -- Lou Pagnucco > > Axil wrote: > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPY0skKjJU8&feature=player_detailpage > > > > > > Rohnermachine.com > > > > Mike and John are the two Rohber brothers who are competing in the > > development of the Papp engine. John is developing a two cylinder > > horizontally opposed version of the engine. John does not demo his > version > > of the engine as a business decision but Bob does do demos. > > > > The video shows the Tesla 2012 demo whose YouTube link is listed above. > > In > > it, McKubre is bearing witness as Mike Rohner rambles on about Papp > > technology. > > > > Mike Rohber provides incite into Papp's motivations and business thinking > > which are interesting. > > > > The demo shows the device that McKubre used to appraise the Papp reaction > > in a 20 minute private evaluation with Mike. > > > > At 1: 03 into the long video, McKubre states his position as an advocate > > of the Papp engine stating that it is based on a nuclear process. McHubre > > sites Cecil Baumgartner a first hand witness to the Feynman test for his > > initial interest in the engine. > > > > A first hand eye witness to the Dr. Rickard P. Feynman ill fated demo > > said > > Dr. Feynman actually kills that poor unlucky by-stander when he pulled > the > > power plug which in tern disables the control electronics on the Papp > > engine and the engine over-revs. The engine eventually blows a rod the > > killed the guy. Cal Tech removed all records of the incident to protect > > Feynman and so died the Papp engine in the science community. > > > > As a personal opinion, McKubre deserves some credit, He has a open mind > > and is not fixated on the deuterium LENR reaction. > > > > > > Cheers: Axil > > > > On Mon, Aug 6, 2012 at 2:30 PM, <[email protected]> wrote: > > > >> Axil, > >> > >> I am not acquainted with this engine. > >> > >> You wrote - > >> > >> " After several thousand hours the gases lose structure and their > >> elasticity." > >> > >> Does this mean there are transmutations that change gas composition" > >> > >> Has anyone look at the ash (both gas and cylinder walls)? > >> > >> Is there dielectric breakdown during ignition with electron cascades? > >> If so, have RF-emissions been characterized? > >> > >> Has anyone tried reproducing the effect outside of an engine where the > >> phenomenon can be observed better? > >> > >> I would be interested in answers to any of these questions > >> - especially since McKubre believes it's probably a real nuclear effect. > >> > >> -- Lou Pagnucco > >> > >> Axil^2 wrote: > >> > *Noble Gas Plasma Engine * > >> > > >> > In the 1980s, Joseph Papp was granted US Patent No. 3,670,494 for his > >> > “Noble Gas Plasma Engine”. > >> > > >> > A mixture of recycled inert gases (helium, neon, argon, krypton, and > >> > xenon) > >> > fills a piston cylinder These gases are exposed to a high-voltage > >> > discharge > >> > in this sealed cylinder capped with a piston. > >> > > >> > This spark causes the gases to expand violently though no combustion > >> > occurs. Mechanical energy is delivered by the piston's displacement. > >> After > >> > the spark, the gases immediately collapses to their original volume > >> and > >> > density, and the cycle is repeated. > >> > > >> > > >> > Replacing these gases cost 15 cents per operating hour . > >> > > >> > Papp's first prototype was a simple 90-horsepower Volvo engine with > >> upper > >> > end modifications. > >> > > >> > Attaching the Volvo pistons to pistons fitting the sealed cylinders, > >> the > >> > engine worked perfectly with an output of three hundred horsepower. > >> The > >> > inventor claimed it would cost about twenty five dollars to charge > >> each > >> > cylinder every sixty thousand miles. > >> > > >> > Papp had arranged for a demonstration of Volvo engine to > >> representatives > >> > of > >> > the Stanford Research Institute. Unfortunately the day before the > >> > demonstration, the Volvo engine exploded. One person was killed, and > >> > another person was injured. Papp himself is believed to have died from > >> > apparent neutron radiation from his engine. > >> > > >> > There were indications that such an engine could provide its own > >> > electrical > >> > power and being a closed system, require no fuel. It is not by > >> definition > >> > an electromagnetic engine, however. It is believed that at the heart > >> of > >> > the > >> > Papp engine is the development of high-density electrical charge > >> clusters > >> > which provide the energy to expand the gases. > >> > > >> > The Papp technology is now in the public domain, Other US patents are > >> > 5319336, 4151431, 3670494, 4046167 - Mechanical Accumulator, 3680431 > >> for > >> > Method and Means for Generating Explosive Forces, and 4,428,193 for > >> Inert > >> > Gas Fuel, Fuel Preparation Apparatus and System for Extracting Useful > >> Work > >> > from the Fuel. > >> > > >> > There are several groups working on versions of the Papp engine. It > >> seems > >> > to keep recycling through the new energy community. > >> > > >> > Jim Kettner has incorporated a company called “inteligentry, LTD” to > >> > simply > >> > and optimized the Papp process. He will license his prototype for mass > >> > production shortly uses the Rossi type “try it before you buy it money > >> > back > >> > guaranty”. > >> > > >> > It looks to me like the Papp engine uses the same basic electron > >> screening > >> > LERN principles as the Rossi reactor. In the Papp engine, helium is > >> the > >> > fuel and Argon is the catalyst. Jim Kettner is very open about his > >> > technology since most of it is in the public domain. > >> > > >> > Kettner's company “inteligentry, LTD,” is selling a demo unit to the > >> > experimenter types for $350 so that they can verify in their own minds > >> > that > >> > gas based LENR works. This LENR engine produced no heat. Its energy > >> output > >> > is strictly mechanical energy. A simple spark and frequency generator > >> are > >> > provide. The gas is user supplied. > >> > > >> > If you are interested, see > >> > > >> > > >> > http://www.magistrala.cz/freeenergy/2012/07/28/inteligentry-open-sourcing-noble-gas-engine-core-design/ > >> > > >> > Public domain LENR > >> > Fuel mix > >> > xenon 8.5 > >> > > >> > krypton 12.5 > >> > > >> > argon 16.9 > >> > > >> > neon 26.3 > >> > > >> > Helium comprise the remainder. > >> > This technology shares most of the features that are currently under > >> > development by other LENR vendors and Focus Fusion. I will discuss > >> these > >> > similarities in another post. > >> > Cheers: Axil > >> > > >> > >> > >> > > > > >
