At 08:38 PM 8/10/2012, Jojo Jaro wrote:
Baloney. The courts have ruled that a Natural Born US citizen is
one where both parents are US Citizens and born in US soil. And
here you are elevating yourself to a position higher than the
courts. You can not throw away court decisions you don't
like. That is anarchy.
Jojo, a little lesson in logic.
The proposition that A is B does not negate that C may also be B.
Someone with both parents who are U.S. Citizens are "natural born
U.S. citizens." However, this does not tell us what the situation is
with the other cases. You are claiming that "the courts have ruled"
only with respect to the first case. You have not pointed to any case
ruling on the relevant other cases.
Specifically, here, the most relevant question is whether or not a
person born in the United States or U.S. territories, of a U.S.
citizen parent and a non-citizen parent, which is the case with
Obama, is a "natural born citizen." Any case on that, Jojo? My
understanding is that there have been cases, and they have not gone
as you have claimed, certainly not after the 14th amendment was passed.
to quote it:
All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to
the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of
the State wherein they reside.
This covers "natural born" with the first category. Naturalized is
the excluded category. Naturalized citizens cannot become the
President. People born in the United States (i.e., subject to U.S.
jurisdiction at birth) are citizens by right of birth, and "natural
born citizen" has never meant, since that amendment, anything but that.
You are confidently asserting that there are contrary cases, "the
courts have ruled." Okay, what cases? Put up, or, more likely, given
how you are trending, shut up.
You know, I don't even read you verbose essays anymore. I grow
tired of the lies, the misinformed opinions, and the blatant
propaganda masquerading as informed opinion. You have succeeded in
doing one thing. You have succeeded in wearing me down with your
useless words.
So maybe the time has not been entirely wasted.
So, I'll let you have the last word. Anyone who listens to you
deserve to have the same cranial enema that you apparently are in
serious need of.
Someone who believes what you write is in even more serious trouble....
Make us all happy, perhaps your only good deed here. Go away.
I will say that I've learned a lot in the last couple of days. I
really had no idea how crazy the birthers were. Jojo's arguments
about the odds against random mutations driving speciation were at
least, old arguments, not totally wing-nut, just erroneous. But he
went totally off the deep end, not only about the birth certificate
issue, but with the constant use of contemptuous names, like "bambi."
All the while pretending to be a Christian. I don't believe it. I
work closely with real Christians, they are not responsible for Jojo
any more than I'm responsible for Obama bin Laden.
