At 02:05 PM 8/21/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote:
Abd,
The micro black hole would begin life without momentum, so it would
not immediately zip off through the earth.
I didn't say it would. Not immediately. If it's born very small, it
will, every time it eats a proton, accumulate a positive charge, and
every time it eats an electron a negative charge. Initially, charge
attraction/repulsion effects would dominate.
A 22 microgram black hole would not consume the earth, read up, lots
of recent studies.
Nah, too much work.
A micro black hole with the mass of a mountain only exerts one
gram of force on its surroundings.
Ahem. A micro black hole would exert that force at what distance?
Inverse square law, last I looked.
The earth would not go to the mountain, so the mountain would go to
the earth, which would exert a force equal to the weight of the
mountain on that black hole. It would fall, with the accleration of
gravity. Nothing could stop it. Period.
It would be acted on by gravity just like any other 22 microgram
particle, such as a grain of sand. Over time I could see these
destroying most pieces of equipment they are created in.
Indeed. This back to the 22 microgram BH. A grain of sand will fall.
The only way to stop it would be to charge it and repel that charge.
Absent significant charge repulsion, this thing would likewise fall
through whatever, leaving a tiny hole. Very tiny. I don't know the
size of such a black hole, but the thing would pass through matter
sort of like a neutron, if it is neutral. Unlike a neutron, it would
not bounce off of stuff.
More likely, it would have a small charge imbalance, so it would
behave a bit like charged particle radiation, I'd expect. It would
disrupt. However, because of its mass, it wouldn't be much diverted
by atomic repulsion, the force is too small. It would just go
straight, eating whatever it encounters, but, as long as it is very
small, the "hole* would be small. A few atoms missing here and there,
not many. But this process would continue as it fell through the earth.
This neglects evaporation of the hole, and I'm not seeing any analysis of that.
The problem is gravitational attraction of the hole by the earth.
Once that force becomes significant, the hole will travel toward the
center of the earth.
Yes, I could see the charge changing as it consumes different
particles and at times they might even act stable. A micro black
hole will behave just as any other particle with mass, angular
momentum and charge and at times the charge can be neutral.
High Power at the surface will help it break up other particles -
collective energy.
All of the LHC Cern studies I referenced predicted a micro black
hole would either 1)evaporate down to stable remanants or 2)
evaporate completely almost instantly.
I realize you have been too busy profusely chatting AbdOgabble to
read any of them...
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:32 PM, Abd ul-Rahman Lomax
<<mailto:[email protected]>[email protected]> wrote:
At 12:14 PM 8/21/2012, ChemE Stewart wrote:
As I mentioned before, quantum gravity pull has a few advantages:
1) It acts as a guiding beacon for incoming particle waves,
aligning them on the way in.
2) If you consider the particles as waves the incoming blueshift
gives you high power right where you need it at the point of collapse.
3) Conversely, any radiation leaving is redshifted leaving only low
power radiation to the outside observers, you and I.
That's a convenient set of assumptions.
What high power is needed? Consider this: if a particle is in a
region where the gravity of a black hole attracts it, so too would
be attracted all other particles in the same region; as well, the
black hole will be attracted to them. That is, it's unlikely that
inbound accelerated particles will be impacting anything.
Outbound particles (generated by what?) would be redshifted, but
that is, from any position, a fixed shift. That is, from any
position there is an escape velocity. If the outbound particle has
less than the escape velocity, it will be slowed and then reversed.
If it has exactly the escape velocity, it will indeed escape, but in
the process will be slowed to a very low level. However, there is no
limit to the level of energy of outbound particles, it depends on
how close they are to the black hole at generation. Their velocity
will be reduced by the escape velocity at that specific point.
If the points of generation of high-energy radiation are *extremely
close* to the black hole, then the radiation would not escape at
all. However, all the products of the reaction, and anything else in
that region, would be sucked in by gravity (or the hole will travel
to suck them in). Mostly, though, the hole will be affected by the
earth's gravity. It will fall through the material -- through any
material. It cannot be contained by materials. If it has a charge,
it may be contained by electrostatic fields, that's about it.
What do you "need" high power for? "At the point of collapse,"
matter simply falls (gravity) into the hole, it "disappears." Not
really, the hole's mass and charge and energy and momentum increase
as needed for conservation laws. But it all gets placed at the singularity.
That's how I'd expect a black hole to behave. Gravity would pull it
out of the matrix, quickly, unless it was very small and the
electrostatic forces were greater. Suppose it starts as with the
conversion of a proton at a cubic lattice position, into the hole.
Assuming no other charge, the black hole would prefer to remain at
the same site, that's what electrostatic forces will do. It will
behave like a proton.
The charge will repel other protons.... But the thing might eat an
electron. Charge neutral now. A proton could come along and be
eaten. Positive charge. Same sequence. Rapidly the mass would grow,
until gravitational forces pull the gremlin out of position and it
falls through the lattice, eating whatever it encounters, and then
through the lab table, the floor of the lab, and the earth.
It could get quite massive and not leave visible holes. However ...
if it keeps growing, there goes the planet. It was a nice idea, eh?
Planet, life, you know. All that.
What has not been done here is to look at details such as lifetime,
minimum mass, etc. If a very small black hole forms, how long does
it live? Does it live long enough to capture particles?
It's been pointed out that this theory attempts to explain cold
fusion by introducing another unknown phenomenon.
It might be simpler to just say that cold fusion is caused by
gremlins. Any kind of gremlin, except that they are very small, or
operate in a parallel dimension, and they can do anything they
choose to do, they are very smart, have what we think of here, in
our limited place, as fantastic powers, and they just love to
perplex researchers. Makes them laugh uncontrollably. Did you see
the face on that one?
