How embarrassing. All those posts on biological transmutation, and we misspelled the guy's last name in most of them.
Should be Kervran, no? From: MarkI-ZeroPoint Dave Roberson wrote: "I guess I am not sure how to give transmutation at low energy the respect it might deserve." This might help. The general topic of transmutation (not linked to LENR) has been discussed within the Collective many times. and has been mired in obscurity for decades (gee, sound familiar???), because we all know that transmutation is simply another name for alchemy. and we've all been told by the masters that that is just a bunch of hooey. given what you now know about LENR, and the consistent, and wrong, view of LENR, do you all still trust the mainstream's view so completely??? One of the earliest and well researched efforts was Kervan's work with biological transmutations. here's the contents of the Collective's memory on this topic: http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l%40eskimo.com <http://www.mail-archive.com/search?l=vortex-l%40eskimo.com&q=kervan> &q=kervan you might start with this thread by the ever-belaboring Mr. Bean himself! http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected]/msg00791.html Dig in!! -Mark Iverson From: David Roberson [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Saturday, September 15, 2012 10:00 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article Jeff, you have pointed out some interesting papers that allowed me to reconsider the transmutation concept. Thus far I have placed most of these experiments in the same category as ghosts and other difficult spirits to capture. Like the other phenomena, it is impossible to accept unless I witness it several times myself. I and I assume many others have read the articles and placed them in the bin labeled "Something must have gone wrong with that test!" This type of physics might be relatively common but not accepted due to the lack of understanding. If it is real, then we have a great deal of new things to learn about the natural world. I honestly have no idea about the validity of these papers and my tendency is to assume that there are operator errors. As soon as that assumption is applied, we are back to normal physics where transmutations are not happening under these low energy conditions. We find ourselves in a position similar to that of the main line physicists who refuse to waste time reading about LENR since it can not be true. I guess I am not sure how to give transmutation at low energy the respect it might deserve. Your bringing it up again for discussion might help resolve the issue. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Berkowitz <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sun, Sep 16, 2012 12:05 am Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article I'm old, so I'm old school. I'm not a physicist, just an experienced observer with a basic science education. After a few months of intensive reading, I'm squarely in the "transmutation don't get no respect" camp. I particularly like this one: http://www.lenr-canr.org/acrobat/Castellanonucleartra.pdf No "particle acceleration". No electrolysis. In fact, no use of electricity in the experimental setup. No disputable calorimetry - in fact no claims of excess heat. The description of the experimental setup clearly implies reasonable skill in materials handling and laboratory technique. Result: a wide range of heavy-element transmutations. Wtf!? And not just these guys. Also here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MizunoTanomalousia.pdf and here: http://lenr-canr.org/acrobat/MileyGHnucleartra.pdf and here: http://newenergytimes.com/v2/conferences/2012/ICCF17/ICCF-17-Dash-Effect%20o f%20Recrystallization-Paper.pdf These results seem objective, widely replicated, and afaik inexplicable via existing condensed-matter physics. Yet they get very little attention. I'm new in this group, so help me out. The way I learned it, there ain't no philosopher's stone, leaving aside well-understood high-energy fusion and fission reaction processes. What am I missing? Jeff On Sat, Sep 15, 2012 at 8:30 PM, David Roberson <[email protected]> wrote: To me 250 electron volts of energy in the form of electron projectiles is incredibly small. The neutron generators that can be had all operate with something like 100 keV which is fairly close to 1000 times larger, and they use deuterons as the projectiles. Why would we think that electrons impacting atoms would generate mutations when there is not enough energy to produce energetic X-rays? If we assume that the elevated temperature of the plate material is responsible, then perhaps so, but the battle to prove that LENR exists in the first place has been difficult. It just seems likely that anyone who has witnessed the transmutation of elements within a low power tube would accept LENR without much question. I would like to see proof that the tube transmutation effect is real and an explanation for its occurrence. Again, how could low energy electrons cause this to happen? If one calculates the expected transmutation rate at the energies we are speaking of I bet it would be too small to measure. Then again, I guess that we see significance evidence that standard physics is not working in the case of LENR devices. Another clue was overlooked and I bet there are many more. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Abd ul-Rahman Lomax <[email protected]> To: vortex-l <[email protected]>; vortex-l <[email protected]> Sent: Sat, Sep 15, 2012 8:38 pm Subject: Re: [Vo]:New Wired UK article At 06:41 PM 9/15/2012, David Roberson wrote: >I would be surprised if no one has done extensive research into >these transmutations. By now, they must have some idea as to how >this happens or they lack curiosity. If this has been swept under >the table over the years it makes one wonder how many other >important discoveries are hidden. I couldn't find any reference in a quick search to accumulated transmutations in a triode. However, it's not surprising if there are such. Nuclear fusion takes place at fairly low energies, merely with a very low rate. If there are years to accumulate the product, one might find all kinds of things. Yes, it could be interesting, but "how this happens" wouldn't be a big deal, necessarily. Nothing here to "sweep under the table," unless the rate of transmutation is substantially different from what would be expected from theory. Anyone got a reference to an actual report of transmuted elements from vacuum tubes?
