there is truths and error in boths , even moderate, vision... I've read in "the next convergence" a much more rational analysis of how to organize free market, social protection, regulation, protectionism, currency manipulation.
one basic of that author vision is that the best way to increase wealth is big growth to catchup rich high-tech countries. It is a question of infrastructure, but also of knowledge transfer, that need a good context, education technical infrastructure, governance, but als inclusiveness, feeling of justice, leading to supporting the temporary pain of structural change. the idea of convergence is that you need to make strong structural change in permanence. no recepi of sucess work for a decade. You shoul not protect the jobs, but you have to protect the people so they can adapt to the new jobs, with education. you have not to help them to stay in the old industry, but you can protect you industry, and the people, for a short time so they can adapt and so that the new jobs are created not too late from de destructions of old jobs... the basic of good attitude is not adapt roughly, without too much ideoloy, see how is does works, correct quicly, and accept imperfection, but refuse comfort and statu-quo... redistribution is needed, to allow a feeling of justic, but inequality will increase. however unlike in locked economy, the inequalities won't be because of cast or family history, but because of luck (right time, right place, some talent, and they will be temporary... What is the enemy of economy is "economic rent", monopoly, and other comfort of the dominant actors... wealth can be accepted, but it should be on the edge, and poverty should be belended and temporary... but not comportable... just temporary, motivating,and the system shoul avoid to destroy active force, and help them to update their competences. it looks quite cold blooded but it is also humanist, since it helps all a populatio to live better, even if everybody, even the rich, have his butt kicked some times. kicked, not blasted. this book is interesting. And very critic to most occidental policy, libertarian or social-democrats. 2012/10/5 Peter Gluck <peter.gl...@gmail.com> > What Jojo says, was done in practice in all the communist societies, > greater flats were shared by 2-5 families, one bathroom, one kitchen- you > can imagine what has happened: eternal quarrels, fights, stress, hatred, > noise, dirt, vendettas..... > I think you have not watched many Soviet movies > from the 1930 in which the situation was presented in an idealized form. > > Redistribution is not a solution and it is only temporary, please read > about Mediocristan and > and Extremistan in Taleb's Black Swan. > Inequality is a fundamental law of Nature, all you can do socially is > minor adjustments at the extremes, but it is not easy to act wisely. > > Peter > > > On Fri, Oct 5, 2012 at 7:06 PM, Zell, Chris <chrisz...@wetmtv.com> wrote: > >> A redistributist economy is inevitable. I say this sadly because I have >> libertarian impulses but realize that technology is leading us into a state >> like StarTrek - in which no one has secure employment except for the guy >> who fixes the Replicator. >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Jojo Jaro [mailto:jth...@hotmail.com] >> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:58 AM >> To: vortex-l@eskimo.com >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized >> >> Hoorah!!! let's steal from the rich to redistribute to all the lazy bums >> out there. I wonder how you would feel if I confiscated your house and let >> homeless people live there with you. I'm pretty sure you would welcome >> that and enjoy it. >> >> What a moron! >> >> >> >> Jojo >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "OrionWorks - Steven V Johnson" <svj.orionwo...@gmail.com> >> To: <vortex-l@eskimo.com> >> Sent: Friday, October 05, 2012 11:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [Vo]:Designer of 3-D Printable Gun Has His 3-D Printer Seized >> >> >> > It's possible my recent little mini-rant gave many Vorts the >> > impression that I believe that the "Rich and Powerful" are evil >> > miscreants, that I believe the majority of U.S. citizens who reside in >> > so-called 98% under/middle class should rise up and overthrow the >> > alleged tyranny of the greedy, the so-called "Rich and Powerful" - >> > yada-yada and so forth. >> > >> > Personally, I suspect "greed" is a natural component of our >> > psychological and physiological makeup. It's in our genes, and for >> > good reason. Greed, specifically the action of hoarding helped our >> > ancient ancestors survive slim-pickens, such as when hunting for game >> > was at best a precarious job skill, and famine prevailed throughout >> > the land. >> > >> > However, today the entire world is slowing transforming (granted, in >> > fits and starts) into a technologically automated society, where most >> > of our needs will available to us via technology, through the wonders >> > of automation and robotics. The absolute need to follow many of our >> > prior genetically built-in biological imperatives, particularly the >> > greed to amass as much money as one can (and all the privileges >> > associated with "money) is becoming increasingly more >> > counterproductive. >> > >> > A modern working-class society, a modern economy cannot flourish >> > unless the middle class can secure sufficient discretionary "income" >> > in which to purchase goods and services that in-turn are mostly >> > created by the working class. If too much discretionary currency ends >> > up in the coffers of just a few rich and powerful individuals and >> > corporations the economy of the majority of working class citizens >> > collapses because of working classes' inability to support it. >> > >> > That's were government regulation has to step in and help level the >> > playing field. It will not be easy, nor will all adjustments be >> > perfect. Needless to say, the Rich and Powerful will resist. The Tea >> > Party will resist! ;-) Just keep in mind, however, that it's just our >> > genes telling to prepare for famine. But this time... maybe this time >> > we don't have to believe "famine" is just around the corner, not when >> > technology, automation, and robotics are rapidly becoming the new >> > underclass of our modern society. It's an underclass that will never >> > demand expensive health insurance, or join a union and constantly go >> > on strike for a pay raise. >> > >> > Unfortunately, old habits - particularly some of those faithful genes >> > associated with greed - are going to be with us for a very long time. >> > >> > This will be an interesting presidential election. I hope it won't be >> > ruled by our genes. >> > >> > Regards >> > Steven Vincent Johnson >> > www.OrionWorks.com >> > www.zazzle.com/orionworks >> > >> > >> >> > > > -- > Dr. Peter Gluck > Cluj, Romania > http://egooutpeters.blogspot.com > >
